I have never seen a store that allows you to return ammunition.  "All ammunition sales final - no returns" is what I see in all my local stores.  I understand the reasoning for these policies, but I would not be in a good mood if I received defective ammunition.  But it's questionable if yours is actually defective, per Graf's words.  This is something that I would expect to deal with Graf about.  If no resolution from Graf, then Hornady.  Actually, I would have expected Hornady to take responsibility from the start, not push you off to Graf.  Since it was Hornady that farmed out the manufacture to Graf in the first place.  I don't see AmmunitionToGo as being the bad guy here, UNLESS they were informed and knew that this was second quality ammunition and intentionally failed to label it that way on their website.  Graf says they are selling this as seconds.  But were they back when they sold it to Hornady?  Did Graf inform Hornady that it was seconds?  Did Hornady inform AmmunitionToGo that it was seconds?  I would be mad if I were in your situation.  But I can't say for sure that AmmunitionToGo is the bad guy.  Did you recontact AmmunitionToGo after talking with Hornady and Graf and ask them if they knew and were intentionally selling second quality ammunition?  If AmmunitionToGo was duped, then they may be more willing to take up your side if you inform them.  Were the boxes the ammo came in marked "seconds"?  They should have been if what Graf is saying is true.  You don't sell seconds without marking them as such.

If you paid by credit card, contact your card issuer and ask them to execute a "charge back".  They may require you to notify AmunitionToGo in writing of the problem while cc'ing your CC issuer.  If AmmunitionToGo fails to respond to the CC issuers liking, they will reverse the charges and you will have paid nothing.  You might have to hold the bad ammo for a week or so for AmmunitionToGo to come pick it up (at their expense).  After that you can dispose of it as you see fit.  That's the way charge backs have worked for my family in the past.  The paperwork is a bit of a pain, but not too bad.  Companies often change their tune when faced with a threatened charge back.  Depends on how much the purchase is worth.

 

I want to be clear here. I'm not trying to say that what AmmunitionToGo did was illegal. It's just their idea of "Customer Service" sucks mightily. On a simple exchange for an identical product, they want me to suck up shipping both directions. In essence to pay shipping for the same product three times (once to me, once back to them, and once again to me). As I said above, this would push the end price of a $20 box of ammo up to the $50 range. (Graf is selling the "Factory Seconds" for $9 on their website with $4 S&H.)

This counts as bad customer service and I will not do business with them ever again and am recommending everyone else avoid the headache as well. There are plenty of other places that have good customer service that won't take advantage of you.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

 

ammunitointogo susks. if i buy online it always cheaperthandirt.com

 

I have bought a lot of ammo from ATG and had one opportunity to deal with their customer service. Service was fine - it involved an exchange for wrong items sent, they sent me the right stuff and paid for me to ship the wrong items back. This was last fall some time. I have found their prices to be reasonable and their shipping is no worse than anyone else's.

On the other hand, I will never buy from CTD again because of their price gouging last year. While many vendors kept their prices as reasonable as they could, CTD jacked theirs way up to take advantage of shooters during the ammo shortage.
Deuce

 

Agreed!  Cheaper than Dirt are DIRTBAGS.  They are not friends of the gun community but are price-gouging crooks.  What were they getting, $70 for a box of 380 FMJ? Also, they will sell your personal information. That is a given.  SCREW CTD!  >

 

AmmunitionToGo had OK customer service when I needed it. They sent 2 boxes of Fiocchi .38 Special 125gr JSP instead of .357 Magnum 125gr SJHP. It took a few days to get a response, but they eventually just shipped me the right stuff and let me keep the wrong ammo. OK in my book.

Also:

I believe this actually was $10 higher at one point.

 

I to have had good luck with ATG, and am a former CTD customer.

CJ

 

I have a CZ-52. I have had no problems with ATG or ammoman.com on previous orders. I have not used Reeds ammo, but it is where I was going to order HP rounds if I got a 7.62x25 AR-15 upper.

http://shop.reedsammo.com/category.sc?categoryId=14

Decent prices on HP rounds. They have good reviews, but I've never personally bought/shot their ammo.

 

4 orders from ammotogo and 0 problems. the prices cant be beat. even with shipping included. buy more than 2 boxes.

 

I've had a number of orders from ATG. No problem and the prices are better than most.

Bob

 

I have ordered from ATG several times, but never had problems. so I can't speak for their customer service. Never have ordered from ammoman. But have ordered from sgammo.com they are a little cheaper, $5-20 per thousand and their shipping is cheaper. 1000 rounds of 7.62x39 is $22 shipping, ATG is $35-40 for shipping. Can't speak for sgammo's customer service, never had to use it.

Ammoman has 147 grain golddot for $299 shipped, sgammo has it for $229 plus $14 shipping. That's over $50 cheaper.

 

I've only had one order from ATG, but it was a doozy. 1k of .308 plus some 12gauge. I was very happy with the service, and the prices.

That said, a small order of ammo through mail order doesn't make much sense to me. Shipping is going to be expensive, and unless you've already shot some of that ammo, you can't really believe that it'll work perfect in your gun.

For those of you that are looking for reasonable .308 play ammo. I've been very happy the the ATI .308 turkish stuff. No problems in my FNAR and the brass is re-loadable. Easy to keep groups inside of 2 moa, challenging to keep inside of 1 moa.

 

I've only had one order from ATG, but it was a doozy.  1k of .308 plus some 12gauge.  I was very happy with the service, and the prices.

That said, a small order of ammo through mail order doesn't make much sense to me.  Shipping is going to be expensive, and unless you've already shot some of that ammo, you can't really believe that it'll work perfect in your gun.

For those of you that are looking for reasonable .308 play ammo.  I've been very happy the the ATI .308 turkish stuff.  No problems in my FNAR and the brass is re-loadable.  Easy to keep groups inside of 2 moa, challenging to keep inside of 1 moa.

I got semi-local commercial reload .308 168gr Match BTHP's or similar prices to the ATI stuff  ...ammo like 308 you definitely save quite a bit by buying in bulk! I don't shoot a ton of .308, but I also don't want to pay $1 a round!

 

I'll add to what everyone else says. ATG has always done right by me, and has been a great vendor to deal with. CTD are a bunch of crooks, and I will never buy from them again.

ATG will continue to get my business.

 

I have a CZ-52. I have had no problems with ATG or ammoman.com on previous orders. I have not used Reeds ammo, but it is where I was going to order HP rounds if I got a 7.62x25 AR-15 upper.

http://shop.reedsammo.com/category.sc?categoryId=14

Decent prices on HP rounds.  They have good reviews, but I've never personally bought/shot their ammo.

Reeds has an excellent reputation.

I fully expect to eventually get the ammunition I ordered. My only complaint with them is that they seem to be a bit vague about "when" and haven't been particularly communicative on the issue. This doesn't count as a "big deal" to me but it would be nice if they'd have told me, "we are hoping to get the order fulfilled by XX/XX/XXXX."

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

 

ATG has been a good source of 32 ACP for me. And far as CTD, if you really want to put the screws to them then shop their bargain bin/loss leaders. They'll most likely lose money on most of the lowest-cost products they sometimes blow out.

For example, the soft-sided case I got for my S2K; I found the manufacturer here in China, and the 1000 piece cost FOB China was $4.91; CTD was selling it for $6.99. Knowing the duties and shipping costs, they're paying $6.80 to get them to their front door, and with labor and warehousing costs, they're losing money on each one they sell, but count on that "freebie" to get you to buy more.

So put the screws to them and buy products they only lose money on!

 

I have always had good service and products from ammunitiontogo. At one point they were the only place that I could find Colt .45s.

 

personaly i like CTD, they may not have the best prices on everythig but its still a heck of allot cheaper thans any guns store near me. have you seen the ammo prices at dick's sporting good? they want exactly one arm and one leg for a box of .223rem.

personally i have allot of sites that i shop from for different things, and i find one of the best sites to go is to (Gasp) amazon.com they have everything from magazines to AR15 uppers, the prices look high but with shipping it acturally is cheaper than most other sites. i bought a carbine sized gun case for $30 on amazon while the same type on CTD was $75 and at my LGS is was $90

 

ATG is a good place to get hard to find LE ammo for a good price. I just ordered a box of GDHP 147 gr. $22.95/50 and Ranger T 147 gr. $24.95/50. While the shipping is a little high, you can make it up in volume. The orders arrive quickly, and if you are an Illinois resident, you don't have to send them a copy of your FOID! I have nothing negative to say about those folks.

 

I've purchased from A to G on several occasions. I've also purchased from Natchez Shooting. I've never experienced problems with either one.

 

I've yet to have a problem with the 7.62x25 rounds with cracks in the casings. I bought mine from Century Arms directly. 1260 rounds for about $90.

 

I've yet to have a problem with the 7.62x25 rounds with cracks in the casings. I bought mine from Century Arms directly. 1260 rounds for about $90.

I expect the possibility of cracks in cases in surplus target ammo. Not in NIB ammo. I might have had an easier time accepting that, even then, if they had been marked "factory seconds" or the like.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

 

I bought hornady directly from them a few months before obama was elected. I knew what was coming and got a box of defense ammo for all my pistols (45, 44 mag, 9mm, 40sw, 9 mak, 38 sp, 357, and some others --- it was a large order).

It took some time due to the lack of makarov ammo (they said they only run it twice a year due to low demand, so it took 3 months for my order to come along).

Their service was very good, and helpful. Since then, however, I think they are behind in production due to the shortage and unwilling to sell directly to the public. My understanding is that they will resume direct sales eventually, and they may have already done so --- if you want their ammo, try calling them first and bypassing all these middlemen.

 

ATG supporter here. Never had a bad experience. All ammo went BANG, as intended.

Grimm

 

I guess I am going to find out my own opinion af ATG since I recently placed an order. CTD never seems to be true for me I can always find it cheaper than from them.