I opened a ticket with Kel-Tec concerning the use of +P and +P+ 9mm ammo with the Sub 2000. See the attached response from Kel-Tec. They do not recommend any use of either +P or +P+ ammo with the Sub 2000 rifles.
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Kel Tec Recommendation for Use of +P and +P+ 9mm Ammo With Sub 2000 Gen 2
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I just bought a sub2k 2nd gen and the only ammo available was Speer gold.dot 115 and 124 gr (9mm). This is my first firearm and not sure if these are +p rounds but I do see "high performance" on the package. If so would the recoil buffer from mcarbo help keep the gun together using these cartridges?
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Thank you.
When I inquired I was told not to make a habit of extra pressure ammo. I put in the extra heavy bolt weight just for dung and giggles and haven't fired any 9mm +P or ++P at all. But it's in there should I ever see the need. I think multiple normal pressure rounds in the torso will be more effective than one slightly more powerful round in the same target area. If one wants to fire one round then look for effect it might make more sense, it's also not suggested. One shoots until the threat is neutralized or until out of ammo, if one fires at all or even displays the gun.
FWIW, I haven't found any downside to having that bolt weight in there (other than cost). It still fires and cycles the action even with my butterfly fart competition loads (minimum PF). IF KT made one that was even heavier I'd try that too.
FWIW, I haven't found any downside to having that bolt weight in there (other than cost). It still fires and cycles the action even with my butterfly fart competition loads (minimum PF). IF KT made one that was even heavier I'd try that too.
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Agreed!ford will break down no matter what you do or dont do to it....
I have shot plenty of +p through mine, and it did just fine, you probably just don't want it to be the main ammo you run through it, as they say, it is not recommended. it will probably cut the life of it down some. I have probably shot close to a 1000 round of +P and it went through without a hitch, other than it having a bit more of a kick and not being able to get As tight of a group as with standard, but that's about the most problems I've had with it. Hope that clears up some of the vagueness the other guy was giving you.
What ammunition does Keltec recommend for self-defense?
Yepp, no studdering here, The subposed question is what ammunition runs best in your 9mm SUB 2000, for the purpose of self-defense? Whether it be a mean old hog chasing me or a complete brain dead very well-armed burglar or worse. They both live and breathe and it would mean that if they are a threat to my life or those around me. then it would be us or them, bottom line.
There are lots of 9 mm rounds being marketed as paper circle killers, deer killers, or game birds and if they are a plus P or not. Just what seems to be the problem here? Say it like it is for cripes sake.
Yepp, no studdering here, The subposed question is what ammunition runs best in your 9mm SUB 2000, for the purpose of self-defense? Whether it be a mean old hog chasing me or a complete brain dead very well-armed burglar or worse. They both live and breathe and it would mean that if they are a threat to my life or those around me. then it would be us or them, bottom line.
There are lots of 9 mm rounds being marketed as paper circle killers, deer killers, or game birds and if they are a plus P or not. Just what seems to be the problem here? Say it like it is for cripes sake.
I have never heard of ANY firearm manufacturer recommending specific ammo for self defense that we can purchase. There are LE agencies who test and suggest ammo that fits their specified test parameters. But for non-LEO types their parameters and ours aren't the same. I doubt that we'll ever need to shoot through auto glass or auto bodies for instance.
When asked this question I suggest that folks check with their local police to find out what they use and then use the same. Why? It's difficult for some lawyer who wants to sue the crap out of you to claim you used some sort of super ammo when your police are also using it. Another source of ammo would be buying overrun ammo commissioned by Federal agencies. You need to be on your toes to find it. But when found it can be had at a savings compared to off the shelf ammo. Again, it would be hard to be sued for super ammo when the FBI or IRS (for instance) commissioned it. Mil' spec' ammo is not what you want.
Another reason manufacturers don't suggest ammo is they don't know how your firearm will be configured. My HD gun wears a suppressor and if quiet was a goal I'd be using 148grain bullets in 9mm since they are inherently subsonic.
Some things I would look for if striking out on your own and not using what your LEOs use... Ammo designed for SD. FMJ need not apply unless you want significant overpenetration and additional lawsuits from people downrange that one ventilates. HPs are strongly suggested because they have a much better chance of staying in the target unless it's paper. They also do what's desired by dumping all or most of their energy in the target. SD ammo won't be inexpensive but after firing a bunch of it to make sure your firearm likes it 100% (zero malfunctions!) you're not going to fire much of it. After deciding on a load I'd look on youtube to see if anyone has tested it. I try to stick with known brands, for example, Federal, CCI, Speer, and there are more. I'd definitely stay away from off brands or experimental super ammo that may or may not work as stated by the manufacturer. Remember there are always lawyers just waiting for their next BMW payment.
When asked this question I suggest that folks check with their local police to find out what they use and then use the same. Why? It's difficult for some lawyer who wants to sue the crap out of you to claim you used some sort of super ammo when your police are also using it. Another source of ammo would be buying overrun ammo commissioned by Federal agencies. You need to be on your toes to find it. But when found it can be had at a savings compared to off the shelf ammo. Again, it would be hard to be sued for super ammo when the FBI or IRS (for instance) commissioned it. Mil' spec' ammo is not what you want.
Another reason manufacturers don't suggest ammo is they don't know how your firearm will be configured. My HD gun wears a suppressor and if quiet was a goal I'd be using 148grain bullets in 9mm since they are inherently subsonic.
Some things I would look for if striking out on your own and not using what your LEOs use... Ammo designed for SD. FMJ need not apply unless you want significant overpenetration and additional lawsuits from people downrange that one ventilates. HPs are strongly suggested because they have a much better chance of staying in the target unless it's paper. They also do what's desired by dumping all or most of their energy in the target. SD ammo won't be inexpensive but after firing a bunch of it to make sure your firearm likes it 100% (zero malfunctions!) you're not going to fire much of it. After deciding on a load I'd look on youtube to see if anyone has tested it. I try to stick with known brands, for example, Federal, CCI, Speer, and there are more. I'd definitely stay away from off brands or experimental super ammo that may or may not work as stated by the manufacturer. Remember there are always lawyers just waiting for their next BMW payment.
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My 2000 Ford Ranger has got my butt to work for the last 24 years. 204,000 miles and never left me anywhere. It's been a good machine.ford will break down no matter what you do or dont do to it....
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Why won't you take Kel Tec's word for it??? Ain't rated for that crap.
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