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Indoors, the blast and sound will be reflected back before it can dissipate, so your hearing will be damaged.
The advantage of active earpro is to hear a possible intruder’s movement even if you can’t see him—with protection if you have to shoot.
My comment was with respect to the effectiveness of the muzzle device indoors without ear pro when things go bump in the night and partial seconds count.

I completely agree that my life is worth more than my hearing.

I may have to consider keeping my active earpro by my bedside instead of in my range bag. I never considered the tactical advantage of the amplification. My Walkers will practically hear the BG's heartbeat, when turned up high.
 
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My comment was with respect to the effectiveness of the muzzle device indoors without ear pro when things go bump in the night and partial seconds count.

I completely agree that my life is worth more than my hearing.

I may have to consider keeping my active earpro by my bedside instead of in my range bag. I never considered the tactical advantage of the amplification. My Walkers will practically hear the BG's heartbeat, when turned up high.
No argument here, either! 🙂 Just sharing ideas and thoughts. Yes, an extra set next to the bed isn't a bad idea--just gotta do it.
 
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I find directional awareness lacking with muffs. If I'm spinning around trying to figure out where it came from I've already missed any opportunity and would probably be the looser in a close confines gunfight.
I haven't noticed that myself. At the range, I can easily determine direction, but in other settings, I might well have a problem.
I also know some people who wear theirs backwards; they say it helps them better hear behind themselves.
 
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I find directional awareness lacking with muffs. If I'm spinning around trying to figure out where it came from I've already missed any opportunity and would probably be the looser in a close confines gunfight.
I've noticed the same thing no matter the type I wear. I can hear the sound and that does help, but I need to search for the source. I'd like to have my dogs hearing; she can hear a flea scratching on a squirrel at 200 yards, but mine? Too many loud noises in my lifetime before we knew the real danger.

It won't hurt anything to keep ear pro close by, but if you're doing HD "right" the last thing you would think about is that. You should be busy making sure the family is in the safe room (not to be confused with a panic room) behind your firearm. Calling 911 on speakerphone to report what's going on and your position in the house, priming the recording (and it will be recorded so be mindful of the words used) to help in your defense when the DA tries to decide if it was murder. Staying alert to keep the BGs away from the safe room or suffer the consequences of you shouting to them that you're armed and they need to leave. Yada, yada, yada. You'll be pretty busy. If a suppressor is an option that can be left on and no thought or time is required to protect all the ears in the house. But even w/o a suppressor a 9mm with a 16" barrel has time for the pressure to reduce before the pressure releases to the room*. A handgun not so much. Yet another reason I suggest to folks, when asked, to get a PCC for HD. Sometimes they even listen.

* It's Boyles Law. Double the volume of the pressurized gas and halve the pressure. A 16" barrel allows for 3-4 doublings of the volume. A 9mm operates at 35k psi give or take and the powder burns fast. Do the math. Here I assume max' pressure in 2"... 2"=35k, 4"=17.5k, 8"= 8.75k, 16"= 4.375k psi and that pressure is relatively nothing. Bottleneck cartridges are much worse; higher operating pressure most of the time and the first doubling happens quite a ways down the barrel.
 
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On my luck break , I pulled the trigger today on a new Gen 3 at sportsman's Warehouse, they got them back in for $470 otd 👍
Awesome! Sounds like a 'luck break' indeed! 😄
 
I like how Honest Outlaw is honest (14:00).
I used to watch his stuff, but I (and others) saw him make some pretty big mistakes, and never admit to them. He denied they were mistakes, or just ignored it. Then in one video I saw him say, "I know what I'm doing, I review guns for a living," and I haven't watched since. He's honest about guns, but not his own mistakes.
Unfortunately, a number of these big guntubers do have really inflated egos and are not pleasant to actually interact with.
 
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I used to watch his stuff, but I (and others) saw him make some pretty big mistakes, and never admit to them. He denied they were mistakes, or just ignored it. Then in one video I saw him say, "I know what I'm doing, I review guns for a living," and I haven't watched since. He's honest about guns, but not his own mistakes.
Unfortunately, a number of these big guntubers do have really inflated egos and are not pleasant to actually interact with.
Good points. I don't hang my hat on anyone's comments; they're just opinions to be taken well-salted. 😎
 
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I do have to admit that I found his attempts to rapidly deploy the carbine laughable; it's as though he had never handled an S2K before. He definitely made it look far more awkward than the S&W folder...which he admits he really likes.
 
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Good honest review.

A lack of open sights... I see that as a plus. Rather than supplying sights that were barely usable, if usable at all, KT got rid of them. Yeah I see that as a positive move. They were just there to slow things down and basically get in the way while suggesting to people that they were actually there to be used. Since they were mostly unusable on my gen2 I removed them. Good riddance to them.

But put a red dot on it and the sub2k is fast and comes alive. It may be lightweight and it's nothing I would ever buttstroke someone with I used mine for a few years competitively and it worked fine for many thousands of rounds. It's not a toy. Treat it right and it runs and runs.
 
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