Vortex Venom on a .5 riser, Tandemkross Game Changer muzzle break, FarrowTech carbon fiber brace w/Gearheadworks Tailhook, and UTG gen2 laser/light combo.





Does the brace interfere with your ability to grip when it is forward?FarrowTech adapter, Vortex Venom, and SilencerCo Sparrow.
I need to raise up the Venom...it's a little too low.
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In the summer in the sunshine state, especially now, during quarantine, not often wins.... that's like asking what type of underwear we think you should wear ... or ... not.
My pleasure. I'm noted, or at least I think I am in my own mind, for making endless changes on my firearms. For me a firearm must be "just right" or I find a way to make it so. I've made no changes to what I've done with the CP33. The sling cost me very little cash, it was maybe $5 on either ebay or Amazon, I wouldn't want it on a firearm for serious social use crawling in the puckerbrush while being shot at but it works here. The paracord for the loops is something I have a huge spool of. I did try a clamp on attachment for the upper rail but that didn't last long. I went to 2 loops of cord and that's the way it's stayed. The cord near the muzzle was pressed into the rail just to make sure it stays out of the way and in place. The tension while in use keeps it in there.<snip> a brace and some kind of optic help are my top two. I'm thinking a sling would be 3rd. Thank you.
That would be badass, I kind of want the PLR 22 actually. But debating between that and the Ruger 22 PC Charger model that has brace adapter.Looks like a little sub rifle. Cool!!!!
See this is what I am talking about we need a cmr version of the cp33.
Thanks for that info, I actually converted a 10/22 into a bullpup as well (PS90 clone from High Tower Armory) and have been digging that conversion stock.I had a charger for same reasons. The kel tec rifle version of the cp33 would weigh less and provide greater mag capacity. Imagine a small compact light weight 22lr with 50 round mags.
The 50 round mags for the ruger are huge and add tons more weight.
Even the double 25 bx mags ate heavy an bulky.
The kel tec cp33 mags are light compact and one could carry more easily if needed.
I sold my ruger charger and went back to a bull pup design that allowed for 16 inch barrel. Badger bullpup is a smart design. Installs with same take down screw. Very stable and effective. It really shines with the BFSiii c-1 binary trigger.
I also rebuilt an old 1022 for target fun.
If kel tec would ever come out wit a rifle version of the cp33 I would sell those rugers in a heart beat.
What could be more practical. A 22lr rifle that share magazines with a great and accurate target gun.
Oh well I have been sending and calling in kel tec since the cp33 came out about a rifle version. It was obvious to me once I shot the cp33 that a rifle version would be perfect. They say there is no interest. I must be the only cp33 who desires such a beast.
A man can dream. Lol
I really appreciate this thorough reply man! Seriously helpful. Think I'm going to keep my CP33 in pistol form, it's crazy accurate as is with a dot. Good to know about the p17 if I ever go that route!Sorry it took so long to respond.
Upfront this will be very long post.
First I would sell both my ruger 1022's.
One is set up with 16 inch threaded barrel, tac solution left hand charging receiver with the BFS iii 22c-1 binary trigger in a badger bullpup stock.
The other is a 18 inch threaded barrel in a tac solutions left hand charging receiver with OEM polymer sporter stock and excellent 2 lb trigger and primary arms acss 22lr illuminated rectile.
Ruger charger.
Mine was 10 inch barrel in polymer stock with fs1913 adaptor and a sb tactical polymer folding stock. I had used both the 2lb trigger and the binary trigger in it.
While ruger 1022 have a super reputation and are generally over built for longevity they are not without their own quirks.
Like any other 22lr you would need to find out what rounds will work reliably with your particular set up.
Mags : 10 rounds usually uber reliable, I have found 25 round butler creek to be just as reliable. The 15 round ruger OEM again very reliable. The bx 25 may need a bit of tweaking. For instance there is a you tube video of using a 22lr case as a bushing internally in the mags to help feeding. I have found this really works . I have done it to my 4 x bx 25 double mags. Then if you are still having issues with the bx or 10 round mags. there is another video of using tape to help tighten the mag to mag well fit. I havent had to go that far. I have had good sucess with mad dog 50 round drums and gsg 110 round drums. 1022 mags are large bulky to stow and awkward at times.
The charger it self is heavy compared to the cp33 but lighter than full size 1022.
I found it not as comfortable to stand free hand while shooting it . It just was a bit nose heavy. The fs1913 sb polymer folding stock/arm brace was great for making the packadge compact. It wasn't that great for shooting . The weight of the charger would cause the brace to flex while shooting . Now you could still be accurate enough with it but not super accurate. if that makes sense. If you go the way of the charger. I would recommend the aluminum brace or the triangle brace. It is aluminum as well.
They would provide a much more stable base to shoot with and increase accuracy, weight and cost.
Is the charger a viable home or sd option? Yes it can be. but for me the bulk, weight, bulky mags etc. Wasnt.
I figured if I was going to have to deal with some of its draw backs the i might as well have a bullpup. So I went back to the badger bullpup. This is a very compact, lighter than charger and very stable platform to shoot with. I feel it swings into action with have to unfold a stock and costs much less than the fs1913 adaptor, polymer stock, and sd tactical braces combined. When I use the binary trigger I can keep the rapid shots in an much tighter controlled group. The charger seemed to be a bit more uncontrolled. While the charger 10.inch barrel does well with velocity (refer to ballistics by the inch).I wanted to stay with 16 inch barrel and not have to file for sbr.
The badger bullpup is 165.00 while other bullpups are 200.00 or more and require much more work to take down. Badger uses same take down screw and 2 screws for trigger cover.
The badgers trigger can be adjusted to provide decent trigger response compared to most. Yes a bit spongy but no where near as bad as the others.
Bottom line. The charger is ok but there are more practical much less expensive ways to achieve the same or better results. I didnt find the charger experience to be any where near as gratifying as the bullpup. Will it be reliable? yea provided you find ammo reliablity . It should run like a sewing machine and provide good fun at the range. It will and could be used as an SD fun once uber reliability was achieved.
CP33:
I picked one up, well because it had a 33 round mag and I just had to try it. I have several different kel tecs and have had no bad experiences with them so what the heck.
I got it home and thought well thays the ugliest thing I had ever seen and didnt expect great things from it. My serial number is m0095. Yes 95th in the market.
I took it to the range and my opinion was radically change by its accuracy and performance. Wow! It rocked.
I immediately thought as, many others did. this thing needs to be braced. So I picked up the fs1913 adaptor and the sb polymer brace. I was able to flip brace around so it would be right side folding.
Took it to the range and again I was wowed with its accuracy and performance. man it was like shooting a laser. Loved it.
Mags were a pain to load until the American nested loader came along. What a life saver. I was thinking mag loading to be too much of a PIA and considered selling it.
Next I was having some feeding issues. Not many but enough to look for a solution. I saw all the mods but never really felt they solved the problem. They were reminiscent of the pmr30 problems and solutions.
When I came across the Mcarbo mag latch upgrade it solved all my feeding issues.
Now.my cp33 runs like a raped ape and with the +17 mag extensions. 50 round mags no problems.
I run thunderbolts through it everytime all the time with no issues. It seems to stay cleaner than my other 22lrs.
Upgrades. Well there isn't really anything that can be done other than Mcabo parts i.e. flat trigger and spring kit. Yes there are some things that in my opinion are bling for bling sake. Aside from the thumb ledge but then it keeps the cp33 from being holstered.
It's long sight radius makes for a great combination with the William's fire sights. Then the already incorporated pic rail top and bottom are perfect for anything you want to mount. A red dot would be fun but the existing sights are functional enough for me at the moment. Plus it comes supressor ready.
With the sb tactical brace folded to the right I could holster the cp33 and with a bit of practice could deploy it quickly into action.
The one thing the cp33 lags behind the charger is velocity performance.
5 inch versus 10 inch barrel.
Although the cp33 does play well with supressors. It doesn't skip a beat with reliability until you try to use sub sonic. But then most short barrel 22lrs have the same issue. The barrel length doesn't get the 22 round up to super sonic speeds befow it exist. So the thinderbolt at 1250 fps is probably leaving the barrel at 1100 fps or there about. Now this is nice. you can use super sonic ammo and get good suppression.
The braced cp33 shoulders quickly swings side to side very fast and gets on target with stability and accuracy.
Plus with the polymer sd brace it doesn't flex any where near as the charger.
The cp33 like the charger with the right ammo can be uber reliable. The cp33 is much lighter, More compact , very accurate with or without red dot, its mags 50 are light compact easy to stow and carry and deploy. Yea the heal release of the cp33 needs to become a part of your manual of arms training. No big deal in my mind.
There really isnt much more to say about the cp33 as it comes almost as a complete out of the box ready weapon.
Which would i look to as a go to sd weapon. Well if both were proven to be uber reliable than hands down the cp33.
You cant beat its speed and ability to be brought into action quickly. Its lower cost of any upgrades. Its magazine compactness, light weight and capacity. Its accuracy at range or defensive snap shooting.
I saw you mention something about the farrow tech. Dont do it. The sb tactical brace is just as good and you still wont have to file sbr. You have a better cheek weld with the sb tactical.
I am sure I am missing about the positives of the cp33 but that's all I could think of right now.
Personally I went back to stock configuration as it is just that good in my opinion. Brace is really not necessary. If I want more accurate long range shooting then I differ to my ruger in the badge bullpup. If I want one hole style target shooting then my cz 457 or even my henry lever gun.
I sure wish kel tec would come out with the cp33 rifle. It would simplify my 22lr situation. Lol!!!! Who am I kidding.
I just went the range today with the kel tec p17 and ruger lcpII. I put the red dot on the p17 and it was a game changer in the accuracy department. Sure glad I did.
I know this has been long post and i hope not very boring. but it is what i have experienced and distilled to form my 22lr consideration between the two guns.
Oh and longevity. Well ruger 1022 has been around since the dawn of time.
The cp33 is proving itself as we speak. From what I am seeing it will be around and prove it's own reputation in time.