SCCY striker fired pistol
SCCY DVG-1
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SCCY striker fired pistol
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I wonder what's up with the weird little cutout at the front of the ejection port? Extra clearance for ejecting an unfired round? Don't think the CPX-2 has anything like that. The P11 certainly doesn't (certainly not that pronounced, anyway), and it ejects live rounds just fine.
Im bout sure it has to do with the Robuck Quad lock system
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I could use some help on this; I have a DVG on the way to me. I've been running my KelTec P-40 converted to 9mm, so 12+1 9mm with the 40 mags and finger extension; pocket carries great with a sticky holster, and with no reliability problems I've ran into. I have a TR14 laser on it, and glow in the dark painted the sights for what it's worth since I can't get proper night sights for it. I did put a Mcarbo trigger spring kit in it, trigger shoe, and a wolff 20 lbs recoil spring on her (and a 22lb in the 40 slide). I also put wolff xtra power springs in the mags I have for it (I have two P40 mags and one S&W 4006 mag with the sleeve). The DAO long reset doesn't bother me any shooting it. It shoots nicer than the CPX2 I had. Though the stock CPX2 trigger is nicer than the stock P40 trigger. I have a CPX-3 and really like the accuracy the delayed blow back (Roebock Quadlock) gives it. My CPX-2 didn't have that, and at only 10+1 rounds, I ended up carrying my KelTec P40 with 40 in her for 9+1 as the felt the extra power in the 40 was worth the sacrifice of one round. I only recently discovered I could put 12 rounds of 9mm in the P40 for the essntially the same weight. I feel stupid that I didn't know this. I got a "parts kit" for a P11 is how I converted it. The DVG will be a step down in the round count to 10+1; But the striker fire short reset trigger, delyed blow back, and G43 night sight options, for me, will make it a better option for carry. I'm going to "steal" the TR10 laser off the CPX3 for it. I don't have my CPX2 anymore to compare the mags. Can you run P40 mags in a CPX1 or 2? I know the SCCY mags don't fit the P40, (the notch is too high, IIRC), but if I remember right the reverse is true? The DVG uses the same mags as the CPX1 & 2. It would be nice to fit my P40 mags to it. Making it a 12+1 would be very cool. I might have to use the DVG base plate on them?
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You nailed its purpose. Colt, Kahr, others... all have that little cut-out, for the reason you stated. When the action's travel does not permit ejection of a loaded round, that relief cut is needed. The travel of the action is a combination of barrel and slide movement, plus the over-travel past the point at which the breech face clears the rear of the magazine. Pistols that have longer barrel travel, and those with less over-travel in the slide are more likely to need some help in the unfired round ejection department. Just an aside.... Pistols with very little over-travel result a very short "dwell time" for the cartridge to rise up from the magazine sufficiently to be pushed by the breech face into the chamber. Magazine design, and spring strength become more critical in that sort of scenario.I wonder what's up with the weird little cutout at the front of the ejection port? Extra clearance for ejecting an unfired round? Don't think the CPX-2 has anything like that. The P11 certainly doesn't (certainly not that pronounced, anyway), and it ejects live rounds just fine.
Thought I'd add, my CPX-2 has been 100 percent reliable, zero issues with five different magazines, although a few years back they had a batch of soft magazine springs, which got replaced by SCCY. Some folks don't like the DAO trigger on the CPX-1/2 but I prefer it for pocket carry. Nice long, heavy pull but smooth as the inside of yer gal pal's thigh. I can live with that.
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Okay, follow up time.
I got the DVG-1. IT IS NICE! The mags hold 11 rounds, but SCCY's marketing department and the owners manual say to NEVER use it will 11 rounds in the magazine because it's unreliable. So... I put a set of Wolffsprings extra power magazine springs in them for the Keltec P-40 mags (hey, that's cheating!)... It goes bang every time with 11 rounds in the magazines now. I got a set of Ameriglo GL-605 CAP sights for it, and a Green TR10 Armalaser (coupon in box for 20% off). With the flat baseplate installed (they are in the box), it is Exactly the same size as my P-11 (P-40 with P-11 slide). The only difference is the slightly larger slide stop on the SCCY. But SCCY still has the mag catch hole on their magazines exactly 1 cm too high, so you can't use S&W or Keltec mags in it unless you take a drummel to them and cut a second catch hole. But they are the same size otherwise. I got a SCCY 15 round ProMag magazine for it, and a Bloodywheels magazine sleeve for it (you can find him on youtube and ebay). I then put a Wolffsprings extra power magazine spring for a S&W 5906 (hey, that's cheating!) in it, and it goes bang every time with 15 rounds loaded. And the most important part; it puts holes in holes at 50 feet - better than I can shoot it without a rest. So, I am VERY HAPPY. For under $500 (and I could have went cheaper with a Red laser, etc.), I'm set.
I got the DVG-1. IT IS NICE! The mags hold 11 rounds, but SCCY's marketing department and the owners manual say to NEVER use it will 11 rounds in the magazine because it's unreliable. So... I put a set of Wolffsprings extra power magazine springs in them for the Keltec P-40 mags (hey, that's cheating!)... It goes bang every time with 11 rounds in the magazines now. I got a set of Ameriglo GL-605 CAP sights for it, and a Green TR10 Armalaser (coupon in box for 20% off). With the flat baseplate installed (they are in the box), it is Exactly the same size as my P-11 (P-40 with P-11 slide). The only difference is the slightly larger slide stop on the SCCY. But SCCY still has the mag catch hole on their magazines exactly 1 cm too high, so you can't use S&W or Keltec mags in it unless you take a drummel to them and cut a second catch hole. But they are the same size otherwise. I got a SCCY 15 round ProMag magazine for it, and a Bloodywheels magazine sleeve for it (you can find him on youtube and ebay). I then put a Wolffsprings extra power magazine spring for a S&W 5906 (hey, that's cheating!) in it, and it goes bang every time with 15 rounds loaded. And the most important part; it puts holes in holes at 50 feet - better than I can shoot it without a rest. So, I am VERY HAPPY. For under $500 (and I could have went cheaper with a Red laser, etc.), I'm set.
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I just got a DVG1, and I want REDUCED springs for the firing pin/ SAFETY plunger spring/ trigger return spring. Have you any idea or know what is compatible for springs?
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Waiting for range reports. Accuracy, reliability, hows the trigger. How snappy is it?
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It's been this long, and I STILL have yet to actually see one anywhere locally. I know it's not 99% vaporware like the Heizer Defense PKO45 was - I think only a handful of people ever handled those, and they all universally said the trigger was awful for being a single-action, but I know nothing else of it beyond that - but good golly, this far along in things, and they STILL aren't anywhere that I've ever seen. I can find CPX-2's and -1's all day long in all kinds of color combinations and with or without red dots and all that, but ... not a single DVG-1 anywhere to be found.
Lame, I say. Very lame. Supply chain issues, my pale, hairy booty.
Lame, I say. Very lame. Supply chain issues, my pale, hairy booty.
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Just Took My DVG1 to The gun Club Friday- Ran good- No issues-I will say when I got it (as all my pew - pews ) will Always teardown - inspect - clean - deburr- Polish all contact surfaces, before I Go to the Range. Just a Habit (since I am a GunSmith Retired) I got into years ago . I would rate this DVG1 - Scale 1 to 10 (ten highest on all accounts) IMO = 7.
Machining Quality good - looks good - function - good..... Did have several Sharp edges / burr's/ mold flanges/ ruff mold marks( firing pin, is mim.)< mim = mold injected metal. So after doin' my thing on it - Works smooth on the slide/ trigger takeup smooth (not gritty), slide Racking good (stiff). All Said I am lookin' to change Springs on - the firing Pin safety Plunger 'Spring". The Firing Pin "Spring. And the Trigger Return "Spring". Just have to FIND these Springs. If anyone has A Place for Reduced Springs - please Share. As my Stash Has nothing that matches size. And My contacts / supplier sold out & retired........
Here's my review of the DVG-1 - I think I'd give it a 7 out of 10 as well.
G43x is $500, DVG-1 is $200. Something to remember.
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The DVG-1 is a fair bit smaller than the G43X, too - much shorter grip - but still has the same capacity.
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Dimensions
| Length | Height | Width | Weight | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| G43X | 6.5 in | 5.04 in | 1.1 in | 18.7 oz |
| DVG-1 | 6.01 in | 5.06 in | 1 in | 15.5 oz |
Height and Width are nearly identical. The glock is 1/2" longer in the slide.
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. I have owned most every cheap Taurus made and the G2, G2C, and G3 are still with me. Still have a 16 year old Hi Point CF380 my son is shooting that has never once failed. Paid $119.99 for it. I have owned two SCCY firearms (one was an original Skyy) and neither worked out well for me. Price is never a final determining factor for me to buy or keep a firearm.
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Height's only the same if you're running it with a pinky extension on the mag. They include flat (flush-fit) mag baseplates in the box, last I recall. Makes it 0.5" shorter than the G43X. OAL is shorter, too.
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From the pic it looks to me like the height on the the DVG-1 without the mag is about 4.5", right on the hash, while, without the mag, the height on the G43X looks to be about 4.75", so maybe 0.25" taller.
Again, from the pic, the G43X appears to only be about 1/2" longer, just as stated on the spec list above, coming in at what appears to be about 6.5" to the DVG-1's apparently ~ 6".
Don't misunderstand, I'm not particularly a fan of either. I don't really like Glocks (I only own one, a 5th Gen G19) and I'm not a fan of SCCY (I'm not sure I've forgiven them for the horse crap they pulled years back here on the board). I just want to be fair about what comparisons are made.
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Same here. I'm not a brand loyalist to either party, either. But I just figured it was worth mentioning the flush-fit mag base difference, because a lot of folks tend to default to that measurement for little guns like the P365 with its flush-fit mag as opposed to the same with a pinky extension or 12- or 15-round mag, because it's the absolute smallest measurement you're going to get with the thing in an actual carry configuration. Realistically, nobody is going to be carrying a gun without a magazine inserted, so honestly that measurement doesn't mean much.
Half an inch doesn't sound like much, but with concealed carry, even a half of an inch is pretty significant in terms of overall dimensions. For example, the Glock 17's height is listed as 5.47", whereas the Glock 19 is 5.04" (which, I think, is about the same height as the G43X and G48). That's less than half an inch of difference, but most folks will concur that the G19's slightly shorter grip is significantly easier to conceal than the G17's full-size grip. Also makes a substantial difference in grip size in terms of how it fits some folks' hands. I know of quite a few cops who actually prefer the G19 over the G17 for duty carry simply because they have smaller hands and the G19's shorter grip suits them better (and/or because the G19 also easily doubles as an easier-to-conceal off-duty carry option, so then they don't need to qualify on two pistols annually instead of one).
FWIW, when I finally got the opportunity to handle the one and only DVG-1 that I've seen locally (about a month ago), with its funky leopard-print grip frame ... I wasn't too impressed. It didn't seem terrible, especially for the money, but the trigger reset was pretty long, the trigger pull and break felt pretty spongey, and the grip feels way too slippery (rubberized Talon grips or something similar would be almost mandatory). It felt sort of like a slightly bloated, worn P11. Again, not a terrible gun, as I've handled examples that cost more and felt like they had lesser build quality and overall feel, but it's not quite as amazing as I was hoping it would be. Starting to look like nowadays that the Kel-Tec P15 is the updated P11 that I'd been wanting KT to put out for years n' years ... although they waited until everyone else in the industry (Sig, Springfield, Ruger, Mossberg, Taurus, etc.) put out similar and perhaps superior examples YEARS before KT got around to it.
Half an inch doesn't sound like much, but with concealed carry, even a half of an inch is pretty significant in terms of overall dimensions. For example, the Glock 17's height is listed as 5.47", whereas the Glock 19 is 5.04" (which, I think, is about the same height as the G43X and G48). That's less than half an inch of difference, but most folks will concur that the G19's slightly shorter grip is significantly easier to conceal than the G17's full-size grip. Also makes a substantial difference in grip size in terms of how it fits some folks' hands. I know of quite a few cops who actually prefer the G19 over the G17 for duty carry simply because they have smaller hands and the G19's shorter grip suits them better (and/or because the G19 also easily doubles as an easier-to-conceal off-duty carry option, so then they don't need to qualify on two pistols annually instead of one).
FWIW, when I finally got the opportunity to handle the one and only DVG-1 that I've seen locally (about a month ago), with its funky leopard-print grip frame ... I wasn't too impressed. It didn't seem terrible, especially for the money, but the trigger reset was pretty long, the trigger pull and break felt pretty spongey, and the grip feels way too slippery (rubberized Talon grips or something similar would be almost mandatory). It felt sort of like a slightly bloated, worn P11. Again, not a terrible gun, as I've handled examples that cost more and felt like they had lesser build quality and overall feel, but it's not quite as amazing as I was hoping it would be. Starting to look like nowadays that the Kel-Tec P15 is the updated P11 that I'd been wanting KT to put out for years n' years ... although they waited until everyone else in the industry (Sig, Springfield, Ruger, Mossberg, Taurus, etc.) put out similar and perhaps superior examples YEARS before KT got around to it.
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Pretty much, yeah.
I will say that the height of the grip is more important than the length. I found that it's a little bit easier to conceal a slightly longer slide while a slightly longer grip tends to print more. On the other hand, because I really really prefer OWB with a covering garment, a longer slide does become a slightly greater problem for me than if I were IWB.
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I will say that the height of the grip is more important than the length. I found that it's a little bit easier to conceal a slightly longer slide while a slightly longer grip tends to print more. On the other hand, because I really really prefer OWB with a covering garment, a longer slide does become a slightly greater problem for me than if I were IWB.
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Indeed. That's what I love about the P15 - long(-ish) slide, short grip. Since I tend to prefer AIWB carry, the longer slide actually helps with concealment because my gut doesn't want to push the top (rear) of the gun over my belt, causing it to print more - the longer slide presses lower toward the groin and prevents that flop-over tendency. Little guns like the DVG-1, P11, G26, etc. work better (for me) either carried on the hip (IWB or OWB) or, if carried AIWB, if they're in a very low-riding holster where the gun won't want to tend to push over the top of the belt line ... although the tradeoff with a low-ride holster is it makes for a more difficult/slightly slower draw (but that's the compromise for added concealment).
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