Last night i was crusing through sime p17 videos. I came across one where the guy was discussing friction issues
So i did some hand polishing with very very good results. Oh i also realized i need to start cleaning this gun after each range session or at least before the next one.


Any way i polished the sides of the slide , under the slide , the opening of the slide that the barrel comes through and the top of frame. I also lightly polish the polymer edges along the frame thay.may come in contact with the slide. The metsl portion of the frame needed this baldy. I took both guns to the range and what do you know i only had two failure to extract. those rounds needed to be pushed out of chamber via cleaning rod. They only happen on one gun.

I am going to fillowing CMMG procedure of buzzing the chamber as it may help.

I think this week i will use a dremmel to give those areas a polish .

Great results with my old extractor springs and extractors.

Pics attached

 

Tnronin, what spring seemed to fix your problem? Just want to be sure. I'm assuming it was the extractor spring, is that right? Was there any other spring you replaced, e.g. recoil spring?

 

I just replaced the extractor spring. They also sent an extractor but I don't know if THAT was part of the issue.

I also polished the underside of the slide.

 

I havent put the new extractor and spring in yet. I have two p17s so one will get new spring and other will get both new extractor and spring. I am going to polish wear points of trunion and slide with fliz and.my dremmel. First i just used a qtip or toothbrush handle wrapped with 1500 grit and fliz. It seemd to make a huge difference.

 

You know.now that i think about i will polish first then try them out. Then add the spring and exractor. That way i can see step by step what works

 

We took my daughter's (untouched) out last weekend FWIW and it functions fine. It's a newer vintage for sure so rolling upgrades may be in place.

 

Wel both of mine are running like sewing machines again.

I am soo happy. I am no longer looking at other guns as long as these are running. The sig p322 looks very promising but the p17s weight the deciding factor for me. Plus i am a kel tec fan boy. These p17s are such a simple and effective design.

I think the most effective thing someone could do is a bit of polishing before shooting these.

Both if my p17s began to jam and double feed. One was horrible i couldnt get through a mag without every other round double feeding or caught sideways above the next round.

So naturally the first thing i did was put the mags back to original configuration. That helped a bit but not much.

Next i polished the portion of the extractor that rides inside the extractor groove. Again helped some but nothing dramatic.

I deep cleaned the guns and chambers with cleaning rod copper bore brush with strands of pure copper choreboy wrapped around it.

I called kel tec to get new extractor springs and extractors. Got them in a week.

I saw an old you tube vidoe where the author was talking about friction points.

So i looked at the slide and decided to polish where the slide had contacted the trunion.

While i was at it i noticed the sides of the slide were very rough.

So i took a square toothbrush handle wrapped it in 1500 sand paper and went to work. I used a jewerlers fine file to smooth out the sides of the slide. Then smoothed more with the 1500. I finished everything off by coating the 1500 with Flitz and did one more round of polishing.
Look at the sides of your slide and your trunions. ugh!!! One of mine has numerius gouges while the other maybe one.

I took the guns out to the range. one ran like a rapped ape with original extractor and spring.

The other still had double feeds but only 4 rounds out of 96 rounds.

I left the one gun thats running well with the parts it came with.

Next i installed the new extractor spring and still had a couple of double feeds.
I replaced the extractor with the new one and all 96 rounds went off smooth as silk.

I am going to track round count on each gun to see when and if they fail again.

I am going to go back to cleaning regiment every or every other range trip.

Oh yeah the firing pin spring creeping over retaining pin! That pin is friction fit and can be moved to keep spring in place.

I am not sure if i will go back to the extended mags just yet. I think i am going to run these stock for a while.
Pics attached.

 

Wel both of mine are running like sewing machines again.

I am soo happy. I am no longer looking at other guns as long as these are running. The sig p322 looks very promising but the p17s weight the deciding factor for me. Plus i am a kel tec fan boy. These p17s are such a simple and effective design.

I think the most effective thing someone could do is a bit of polishing before shooting these.

Both if my p17s began to jam and double feed. One was horrible i couldnt get through a mag without every other round double feeding or caught sideways above the next round.

So naturally the first thing i did was put the mags back to original configuration. That helped a bit but not much.

Next i polished the portion of the extractor that rides inside the extractor groove. Again helped some but nothing dramatic.

I deep cleaned the guns and chambers with cleaning rod copper bore brush with strands of pure copper choreboy wrapped around it.

I called kel tec to get new extractor springs and extractors. Got them in a week.

I saw an old you tube vidoe where the author was talking about friction points.

So i looked at the slide and decided to polish where the slide had contacted the trunion.

While i was at it i noticed the sides of the slide were very rough.

So i took a square toothbrush handle wrapped it in 1500 sand paper and went to work. I used a jewerlers fine file to smooth out the sides of the slide. Then smoothed more with the 1500. I finished everything off by coating the 1500 with Flitz and did one more round of polishing.
Look at the sides of your slide and your trunions. ugh!!! One of mine has numerius gouges while the other maybe one.

I took the guns out to the range. one ran like a rapped ape with original extractor and spring.

The other still had double feeds but only 4 rounds out of 96 rounds.

I left the one gun thats running well with the parts it came with.

Next i installed the new extractor spring and still had a couple of double feeds.
I replaced the extractor with the new one and all 96 rounds went off smooth as silk.

I am going to track round count on each gun to see when and if they fail again.

I am going to go back to cleaning regiment every or every other range trip.

Oh yeah the firing pin spring creeping over retaining pin! That pin is friction fit and can be moved to keep spring in place.

I am not sure if i will go back to the extended mags just yet. I think i am going to run these stock for a while.
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I'd probably blacken the slide for protection but everything is good info!!

 

This brings back fond memories of the early days of my P11.

 

Maybe they need to lower the trunnion a bit so the slide doesn't contact it, that seems to be causing the most trouble. No need to make it so high, IMO...or shave a few thousandths off the bottom of the slide.

 

I was a plastics QC engineer in another life. I'm sure it's engineered to be clear. But humans and plastic you know.

 

Yep thats why i polished the entire underneath if the slide and the trunion. Take a magnifying glass and look at the side edges of the slide. Mine was super rough. I uses jewelers fine file and smoothed the edges as well. Made a huge difference.

 

This all sounds very familiar, P11 familiar. Need to start a F&B P17 stickie.

 

Really just clean up edges of slide smooth out under slide and top of trunion. Polish all surfaces and extractor portion that rides in groove. It really increases reliablity. New extractor and spring. Gave me renewed faith in gun.

 

Going back to Florida. Again.

 

Now these threads are why people (like me) that just bought a model of firearm should come into these forums and see what can be done to eliminate problems with a new gun that one may think a return to the manufacture is the only solution. A Fluff and Buff...can solve many problems. I have learned so far today the slide is not the greatest fit, and sanding the slide sides can make a huge difference, the rear sight screws can come loose and some blue lock-tite after adj may be required, ejector channel may need some polishing, check the firing pin protrusion. A few simple things to do that may change a poor review about a recent purchase into a stellar new firearm experience.

 

a new gun that one may think a return to the manufacture is the only solution.

Oh mine definitely needed to go back again. Hopefully not a third time or its outta here.

 

Well at least if I get one that needs to go back it is less than 3 hours from me. I like I can take it there directly. >>>>>
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Well at least if I get one that needs to go back it is less than 3 hours from me. I like I can take it there directly. >>>>>
Can I bring my KelTec firearm to your location for service?
Customer Center Address & Hours
Yes, our Repair Department is open Mon-Fri 8am – 4pm, excluding holidays. Most repairs that are brought in before noon are likely to be completed the same day. Please also bring a copy of your purchase receipt if you still have it.

Three-hour drive, six hours round trip, at these gas prices? Call KelTec for a free return label.

 

Leave the wife at home...yea, then it's worth it.

 

Does KelTec send a shipping label for returns? Do they return it directly to you when repaired? Many people do not realize if you get your same serial number firearm returned, it does not have to be sent to a FFL, although some companies refuse to do this even though they know it is legal. I have argued and won a few and lost a few with various companies on this subject.

 

KelTec paid shipping both ways and returned my PMR30 directly to me. And they actually fixed it as well!

 

I had this problem with my P17, sent it back to KelTec, just as bad or worse when they returned it. I did, however, find a modification that allows me to shoot any bulk ammo with almost zero malfunctions... The part number is: Taurus TX22.