Hello all. I am new to this site and need some info on if the KSG is legal to own in NYS. I am not law enforcment "27.5 years as an MP apparently does not count HaHa" and live far from NYC. My local gun shop owner told me he recieved a phone call from the State Police asking if he had sold any KSG's. The State Police stated KSG ownership is illeagal for "civilians" due to thier interpertution that it uses a "mass feeding device" holding over the new 10 round limit . The NYSAFE website is vauge and does not address this issue. The site even states the following "Please note: This website is informational only and does not constitute legal advice." The 1-855-LAW-GUNS phone operators are also noncommital and have very little info. I am looking to own a KSG but also do not want to run afoul of the "Law". If anyone has any info or ideas on how to get good info I would be very grateful. Thanks in advance.
KSG legality in New York State
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That's like saying I'm in perfect health if I could ditch the terminal cancer in my lungs.
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I transferred mine in Nassau county at hunters essentials in albertson, anyone in suffolk should do the transfer as it is perfectly legal.
The KSG is NOT a semi-auto, it is a pump action shotgun. It is perfectly legal to own/posses one in NY state (for how long, who knows...).
And furthermore, DO NOT rely on any (mis) information from LEO's you happen to know. Most of them DO NOT understand current law and are routinely "updated" by people who are not in LE.
And furthermore, DO NOT rely on any (mis) information from LEO's you happen to know. Most of them DO NOT understand current law and are routinely "updated" by people who are not in LE.
^^^ THIS ^^^
Good Lord people, NY defines an "Assault Weapon" as any semi automatic rifle with a DETACHABLE MAGAZINE that has any single one of the defined "evil features" such as a pistol grip, folding/collapsing stock, threaded muzzle/flash hider/muzzle brake, bayonet lug, or grenade launcher.
The Kel-Tec KSG is by definition a PUMP ACTION MAGAZINE TUBE FED firearm, and as such it does NOT fall under the category of "Assault Weapon" as defined by NYS.
And to those who feel the need to reply to a NYS resident who is asking honest questions regarding the legality of a particular firearm with [paraphrasing]: "Well, then move out of that God forsaken state if you don't like the gun restrictions"...this isn't such an easy thing to do, especially when one has family buried in the ground, they have 30+ years service with an excellent employer who is contributing to their awesome pension, and young children and other family to support.
Whether playing "Devils advocate" or not, those types of replies are unwarranted; they provide no useful information, and as such are in no way helpful to the OP or the forum in general.
Good Lord people, NY defines an "Assault Weapon" as any semi automatic rifle with a DETACHABLE MAGAZINE that has any single one of the defined "evil features" such as a pistol grip, folding/collapsing stock, threaded muzzle/flash hider/muzzle brake, bayonet lug, or grenade launcher.
The Kel-Tec KSG is by definition a PUMP ACTION MAGAZINE TUBE FED firearm, and as such it does NOT fall under the category of "Assault Weapon" as defined by NYS.
And to those who feel the need to reply to a NYS resident who is asking honest questions regarding the legality of a particular firearm with [paraphrasing]: "Well, then move out of that God forsaken state if you don't like the gun restrictions"...this isn't such an easy thing to do, especially when one has family buried in the ground, they have 30+ years service with an excellent employer who is contributing to their awesome pension, and young children and other family to support.
Whether playing "Devils advocate" or not, those types of replies are unwarranted; they provide no useful information, and as such are in no way helpful to the OP or the forum in general.
Thanks for your support Drewbone, I find it easier to ignore non-helpful opions. Just to clarify the NY State Police originally stated KSG ownership is illeagal for "civilians" due to thier interpertution that it uses a "mass feeding device" holding over the new 10 round limit, not as an assualt weapon per the NYSafe act. During the fall of 2013 the NYSP went so far as sending in an non-LEO "straw buyer" to a local Gun dealer. After the dealer attempted to sell to the buyer, the dealer was threatened with loss of his FFL ,ect. Shortly after this happened the Senior Investigator in charge of weapons issues at the BCI, decided that the KSG is indeed within the parameters of the law (thought nothing in writing to this date stating this has been seen). By the way I also own a "GEN1" KSG and find it to an excellant weapon for it's intended use and daily read this forum and have found much useful info and opions from the members of this forum.
Yes, I recall such a froth and later "decision" - but thought it unnecessary to include it in my reply since the final outcome & current legality are all that matters!
As you can see I'm new to this forum, though I've been lurking for some time now. And as a relatively new Gen2 KSG owner I too have gleaned much information from this forum, and have found it's members to be friendly and informative. I find the KSG more than adequate for it's intended use and then some, 'specially when using the Aguila slugs
Since I'm in the beginning stages of my KSG experience, as countless others have done, I'm awaiting a number of items I've decided on to enhance mine, and I'll post up some pics in the image thread when it's completed.Cheers!
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Keyword here is that KSG has a "PUMP" action Not "semi-auto".
KSG Does not fall under the UN-SAFE act.
Perfectly legal in NYS.
KSG Does not fall under the UN-SAFE act.
Perfectly legal in NYS.
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What about the KSG 25? Sincerely asking. Thanks.
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Most people who don't live in New York don't know the fine details of the laws there.
Neither do many law enforcement personnel so asking a cop is usually useless.
You need to do some research In-state to find out what's what.
You might contact the New York NRA or state gun owners organizations. Most likely either can give you a VALID answer since they're experts on these things.
My best guess, ( and it's JUST A GUESS) is that the KSG 25 is legal. However, don't take any chances....find out for sure.
If a FFL gun shop will sell you one, it's most likely legal, BUT note that some cities may have different rules you can run afoul of.
Neither do many law enforcement personnel so asking a cop is usually useless.
You need to do some research In-state to find out what's what.
You might contact the New York NRA or state gun owners organizations. Most likely either can give you a VALID answer since they're experts on these things.
My best guess, ( and it's JUST A GUESS) is that the KSG 25 is legal. However, don't take any chances....find out for sure.
If a FFL gun shop will sell you one, it's most likely legal, BUT note that some cities may have different rules you can run afoul of.
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Thanks! Well I really wanted a Tavor TS 12 bus semi autos got screwed so, pump action it is.at least I can add attachments. But I'm also leading towards a MKA 1919 PA..10 round mags..pump action on an AR set up..not bad all things considered.
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You have to decide what you want, then try to be certain it's legal in Progressive Land, like New York.
Getting a valid answer about what is or is not legal can be difficult.
Again, asking the police or State police will often get a invalid answer, most lawyers don't know gun laws and will charge a fee to research, and trying to track down what State authority that actually knows can be time consuming and still get it wrong.
That's why I recommend the NRA or a state rifle and pistol organization. Most states have a state association and they should know,
Also again, a valid FFL Dealer, preferably in a store front business should know since they're selling the gun and must know the laws.
HOWEVER, note that in states like New York a city or county may have other ideas in spite of state or federal laws.
Getting a valid answer about what is or is not legal can be difficult.
Again, asking the police or State police will often get a invalid answer, most lawyers don't know gun laws and will charge a fee to research, and trying to track down what State authority that actually knows can be time consuming and still get it wrong.
That's why I recommend the NRA or a state rifle and pistol organization. Most states have a state association and they should know,
Also again, a valid FFL Dealer, preferably in a store front business should know since they're selling the gun and must know the laws.
HOWEVER, note that in states like New York a city or county may have other ideas in spite of state or federal laws.
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