Wowzores, what is up with ammo?

Discussion in 'P-3AT' started by Colossal_Uprising, Dec 3, 2009.

  1. Colossal_Uprising

    Colossal_Uprising New Member

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    Dec 3, 2009
    I bought this gun, but can't find any .380 ACP or +P ammo for it. If I had known .380 was so hard to find I would have just got the 9mm that I wanted to begin with.
     
  2. BillK

    BillK New Member

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    Jul 23, 2007
    Hi, welcome to KTOG!

    To late now but it is to bad you couldn't have insisted on ammo before closing the deal. Maybe get that nine you were interested in but still hold onto your P3AT. There is a reason why the .380 ammo is so hard to find; I suspect it is because of the growing popularity of all the .380 pocket rockets.

    Take care...
     

  3. MW_surveyor

    MW_surveyor New Member

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    Oct 30, 2009
    +1 on all of the other 380 guns out there.

    The new gun store that I wrote about yesterday with the good supply of 380 was down to 2 boxes of WWB 1 box of AE and about 10 boxes of Gold Dot at 1500 today!

    Should have bought more than one box but didn't want to be greedy :(
     
  4. billjohnso20

    billjohnso20 Active Member

    Dec 7, 2008
    Several gun shop owners in my area are claiming the manufacturers are gearing up to run a lot of .380 come the first of the year. Of course these are the shops without any. On the other side of town, .380 is rather plentiful. Kansas City is a big place.

    Either way, .380 will eventually show up just like everything else did. It will just take time. I roll my own and buy factory ammo when I find it. As such I have a supply of both. The result is I've had more than enough to shoot regularly.
     
  5. doubloon

    doubloon New Member

    Jan 5, 2008
    Houston-ish, TX
    That first of the year rumor may have some fact behind it. I've heard the manufacturers consider .380 to be "seasonal" ammo. Not that it's any more popular at one time of the year than another but that they can normally make enough in one part of the year to keep everybody stocked year round. Between the run on guns and ammo hoarding it dries up quick.
     
  6. JB

    JB Guest

    That is similar to what I have heard.  Also, supposedly, (again, just what I have heard) when they do run .380, at least some manufacturers run it on a line or lines where they normally run bigger sellers like 9mm (no sense having a line dedicated to an ammo type you are only going to run for a few months or even a few weeks and let the equipment sit dormant the rest of the year) and it takes time to switch everything over.  Therefore, they would be losing time manufacturing any ammo, at all, and then losing time manufacturing the more popular caliber in order to switch over to .380 for an unscheduled run.  Don't know how much truth there is to that but it at least sounds plausible.
     
  7. Guambodian

    Guambodian New Member

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    Dec 1, 2009
    I watched a guy buy the last box of WWB and the last box of Remington's at the most recent gunshow here.. I asked him where on the table he found them and he said " Right there... Oh I guess I bought them all'. It was frustrating to say the least. :-[
     
  8. CJP32

    CJP32 Active Member

    Jul 24, 2008
    It's getting better in my area, I just came home from the LGS and they had FMJ and PowRball on the shelf. I have been able to find 380 hit and miss for the past couple of months.

    Ammunitiontogo.com has some FMJ and JHP in stock right now if you don't mind paying shipping. I just ordered some ammo from them and the service and shipping time was very good.

    http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/index.php/cName/pistol-ammo-380-auto

    CJ
     
  9. ansehnlich1

    ansehnlich1 New Member

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    Nov 21, 2009
    This is why I like having several different caliber handguns layin' around. I got 45's, the kt9, 380, 38, 223 rifle, shotgun, etc. If one of 'em don't have ammo another one will ;)
     
  10. doubloon

    doubloon New Member

    Jan 5, 2008
    Houston-ish, TX
    That is similar to what I have heard.  Also, supposedly, (again, just what I have heard) when they do run .380, at least some manufacturers run it on a line or lines where they normally run bigger sellers like 9mm (no sense having a line dedicated to an ammo type you are only going to run for a few months or even a few weeks and let the equipment sit dormant the rest of the year) and it takes time to switch everything over.  Therefore, they would be losing time manufacturing any ammo, at all, and then losing time manufacturing the more popular caliber in order to switch over to .380 for an unscheduled run.  Don't know how much truth there is to that but it at least sounds plausible.[/quote]
    But probably only plausible enough to start rumors ... ;) ;D ;D

    I still wish I could find some fact to either prove or disprove it.
     
  11. manofpeas

    manofpeas New Member

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    Dec 8, 2009
    Since they run .380 on the same machines as they do 9mm Luger, I would watch the supply of 9mm to get an idea of what will happen with .380. 9mm is still not as plentiful as it was two years ago, when it does become plentiful, though, I would expect .380 to soon follow.
     
  12. billjohnso20

    billjohnso20 Active Member

    Dec 7, 2008
    Since they run .380 on the same machines as they do 9mm Luger, I would watch the supply of 9mm to get an idea of what will happen with .380.  9mm is still not as plentiful as it was two years ago, when it does become plentiful, though, I would expect .380 to soon follow.[/quote]
    You can get any 9mm you want locally here in the KC area. That includes Hornady Critical Defense. It's been that way for months. Prices are either the same or close to the pre-panic levels. For that matter, I've been seeing more .380 but not enough to think the shortage of that caliber is over. I guess we'll wait and see what materializes.
     
  13. jsintexas

    jsintexas New Member

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    Oct 1, 2009
    The only solution to the .380 ammo shortage and price is buy a PF-9.

    9mm is about $10-15 less per box of 50.

    If you look at it in a ROI calculation the PF-9 pays for itself after 20 boxes of ammo.

    I have a P3AT and a PF-9.

    Lately the P3AT spends more time in my gun safe.
     
  14. MW_surveyor

    MW_surveyor New Member

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    Oct 30, 2009
    jsintexas

    I almost went this route earlier after I bought my P-3AT but have declined (actually resisted temptation) as the PF-9 really is not a "pocket gun" no matter what the guys on the PF-9 part of KTOG say. (I know it will fit in most pockets but not as well as the P-3AT) Also, I already have a fairly easily concealable 9mm in the Taurus PT111 Melinium Pro holding 5 more rounds.

    I can accept your reasoning if you are really paying $15 more per 50 rounds of 380 ammo and you want a PF-9. I've not paid more than $20 per box of 380 and in the last month have found supply in LGS starting at $15 per box. Cheep 9mm goes for about $10 per box. PF-9 prices are all over the place here in Houston. Basic black runs $259 to about $300 or more depending on where you buy it. Some of the gun stores here continue to gouge.

    So taking the least expensive PF-9 at 259 and price differiental of $5 per box, you would have to buy at least 52 boxes (2600 rounds which is a lot of shoot'in) of the least expensive 380 availble.

    That's my .02.
     
  15. jsintexas

    jsintexas New Member

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    Oct 1, 2009
    With .380 the availability is hit or miss at most retail outlets and pricing has been very high.

    9mm seems to be available everywhere now.

    So your Taurus 9mm is a solution for you.

    I prefer the stopping power of 9mm v. .380.
     
  16. james__12345

    james__12345 New Member

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    Dec 7, 2009
    Haven't dealt with a PF9, but i have dealt with a P11, which as far as i know is the same "outline" just in a double stack mag, and I definatly dont see it as a pocket gun. A good IWB gun yes, but not my pockets. Ammo wise, same situation here as the last poster, 9 is about everywhere but 380 still can hardly be found at any price short of some HIGH defensive rounds. Target ammo for a 380 cant be found around here at all.
     
  17. MW_surveyor

    MW_surveyor New Member

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    Oct 30, 2009
    In reality, the P-3AT is the solution for me because it is in my pocket and with me all of the time. If I don't get to shoot it a much as my other guns, then so be it. But I do shoot at least 10 rounds everytime I go to the range just to make sure it goes bang. I'm at the range about every 10 days if not every week.

    Not going to get into the "stopping power" debate as "two in the chest and one in the head" with just about any caliber will work.

    Not sure of where you guys live, but around here in the Houston area, I've been seeing more .380 available in both target and SD in the last month. More often I can find it at two LGS nearby my house. SD ammo is still quite high though.
     
  18. jsintexas

    jsintexas New Member

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    Oct 1, 2009
    I am not sure about the size of pockets in your jeans or jackets but my PF-9 fits in my Wranglers and in the pocket of my Carhartt.

    I agree the P-3AT is easier to conceal.
     
  19. kt4me

    kt4me New Member

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    Feb 9, 2006
    .380 ammo was fairly plentiful at the gun show today in Florida, though still a bit overpriced. Cheaper range ammo was still the hardest to come by, hoping it loosens up soon, I need to do me some shootin'!