1st gen p3at has been back to the mothership since 1/25/08....broke the pf9 on 1/28 sent it back too....now second time for the p3 and first for the pf9 called today and the "old man" csr said at least 8 weeks to get it back....but it does come next day ups..... Why do we put up with this ----? They conceal great but they don't work!!!!!!!!Keep wishing but it aint gonna happen! BTW-I also have an old Grendel....so I know the company history well.... Nothing to report but grief!!!!and anticipation that they might work when they come back.