[tzcomp]

firesign theatre

May I See Your Papers Please ?

kboo.fm

A Child's Garden of Grass. I didn't know if anyone would know the reference.

 

[RAT76]

Showing my age.

 

[IamScotticus]

A lot of the covid disease and vaccine info we are being fed by government and the media is a bunch of B.S. I personally do not believe covid is as bad as they are making it out to be. But I also believe it can be bad, and it's next to impossible to predict who it will be bad for and who will catch it and maybe not even know it. And it's not all about me either. While it would indeed be difficult to throw myself on the sword and die from vaccine side effects in an attempt to save another's life, I would not have a problem living with, e.g., a few months of Bell's Palsy if that would save the life of another.

You can't really judge the worthiness of the vaccine by the facts we hear today. Because many of the "facts" are just opinions, or fear-driven mob-initiated assumptions, or pure agenda-driven B.S. So in my case, I'm judging it with my gut. And my gut is telling me, "get the vaccine". Interestingly enough, just a few short months ago my gut was telling me, "stay away from the vaccine for a long while". My gut has pulled a 180, but that's my prerogative.

A few factors have changed my thinking. Number one, is that my wife already got the vaccine (she is an N.P., front line working with covid patients). So if she has problems because of the vaccine, I want to be right there by her side and supporting her decision by making the same decision myself. Another reason is that I want to see my kids again. My son is close, so that's not a problem. But my daughter lives in Hawaii and I can't just waltz over there any time I want. My gut tells me that very soon I will not be able to travel there without proof-of-vaccination. We'll see if that prediction comes true. Last but not least, I have weighed the risk of getting covid and the possibility of a bad outcome, against the risk of untoward effects from the vaccine. Since the "facts" are currently mostly B.S. in my opinion, I am using my gut for this pros/cons evaluation. And my gut says vaccine risk is lower than bad covid infection risk. Neither represent a high risk, but I personally think the covid infection risk is higher than the vaccine risk.

So I will get the vaccine as soon as it is available for me. Unless my gut pulls another 180 before I reach the front of the line. I reserve the right to change my mind as many times as I please.

The rest of you can do whatever you want, and I would say that you are right. Since I personally distrust the "facts", I have to extend that same courtesy to you. There's no need to argue about who's gut is right. That's laughable in it's stupidity. Providing links to studies and statistics is meaningless if one doesn't trust the studies and statistics (not current studies/statistics anyway, but maybe their perceived reliability will improve in the future).

The part that I don't agree with are the lockdowns. My feeling is that those are not really helping, and are destroying many lives. A huge amount of suffering that makes the virus itself pale in comparison. Let people self-lockdown if they want. If you're afraid to go into a restaurant, then don't go into a restaurant. If you think a mask will save you, then wear a mask. If you think a gym is the devil's hotbed of disease, then stay out of the stupid gym. But don't force others to do as you choose to do. My personal opinion is that "you can't hide from a virus" - you may delay infection temporarily, but that's the best case. I have no problem with people hiding to their heart's content. Just don't force others to hide. If I believed hiding helped in the long run, I would think differently. But I have seen nothing that convinces me that it helps more than a very temporary delay.

You have a lot of good points here, but when you say " I personally do not believe covid is as bad as they are making it out to be", I can tell you I attended a funeral for a COVID victim today. If the news and local civil admin need to exaggerate the situation to get people on board with the seriousness of the situation, then they should and people should comply.
Along with that, the people need to remember that the virus is a Chinese Communist weapon used against us and it may not be the last.

 

[IamScotticus]

lets just get it out. Who still partakes? LOL. No, don't answer that...

 

[davek]

"Everything you know is Wrong"

 

[tzcomp]

I just got the first round of the Moderna this morning. It's been an hour and I feel a little lightheaded. Not badly though. I am due to take the second shot in 21 days. I will update. If you don't hear from me again, it's been great talking to you all.

 

[IamScotticus]

It is something to keep in mind that travel requirements are increasingly requiring PROOF of taking a COVID vaccine.
Where ever you go , ask for an official CDC certificate of vaccination.

 

[TxCajun]

Got Moderna #1 Saturday.

 

[darkwriter77]

Latest information shows that those rare folks who have been re-infected with the 'Rona experience a milder, less severe case of it the second time around than the first. Well, considering my first go-around with it was a total non-event - I mean, yeah, it sucked not being able to smell or taste for a few days, but I'll take that over a nasty bout of the flu or a month-long cold anytime - I'll take that as yet another reason to add to my list of reasons I won't be standing in line for the vaccine.

 

[Alnath]

Im not wanting to start any political rant, but I do like to tippy-toe on the edges.

So here comes the first distributions of the Coronavirus vaccine!
How many drug companies have suddenly come up with a new vaccine? How different are they?
Are you a medical, first responder or other frontline professional who will be eligible for the first rounds of the vaccine?
Will you take it? Or, like the first year model of any Jeep vehicle, wait to see who dies first?

No grandstanding on what the POTUS did or didn't do about this vaccine! Just are you gonna be the guinea pig or not and why?

I am in the first responder category and will be eligible for the first distributions.
But, I have done well this long with masking and distancing, so why risk my health on a vaccine?
I'll pass.

I am a pharma research scientist. Already took dose one of the Pfizer vaccine. (Got it because I am older than dirt and live in a retirement community.)

Wear a mask. Keep 6’ apart. Take the shot(s). It is NOT political. It’s biology.

 

[lklawson]

I am a pharma research scientist. Already took dose one of the Pfizer vaccine. (Got it because I am older than dirt and live in a retirement community.)

Wear a mask. Keep 6’ apart. Take the shot(s). It is NOT political. It’s biology.

It's not political until it is. Just like, literally, everything else.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

 

[Gliderguy]

I am in pharmacy school. I will be getting the first vaccine in a week or so. I have watched the U.S numbers trend from close to 3% fatality vs infected rate down to about 1.7% as we exceed 20 million positive tests. I expect the numbers will settle down around 1 percent after the virus has run its course. So 1 percent of 330 million people is about 3.3 million people gone. Many others will be asymptomatic and no big deal for them. Others, maybe 3-5 times as many as there are fatalities will have LIFE LONG harsh complications from getting the disease. Severe heart and lung damage, strokes, and other problems associated with after effects of the virus. Just something to consider in your calculation of risk.
I suspect almost everyone on this board has had chickenpox. How many of you have had shingles? Same virus, after it has lain dormant in your system for decades. I don't know if COVID will have a nasty surprise round two like the Herpes Zoster virus that causes chickenpox / shingles, but it is something else to consider in your calculation of risk. New data from Moderna seems to imply expected protection time of about 2 years from their vaccine. I have not seen the paper on how they can extrapolate that from a few months of trials, but it seems to be much more robust than actually getting the virus. I have seen a paper describing genetic issues where certain portions of the population do not make enough interferon alpha because they have an auto-immune condition that destroys it. In the paper I read that had 1500 or so participants, somewhere over 600 of the participants did not have normal levels of interferon alpha and of those 600, 100 got a severe, life threatening version of COVID. The other 900 participants had normal interferon alpha levels, and ZERO of them had a severe case. This is just one of many potential factors that may determine if one is at risk. For those concerned about freedom violations, read up on what was done in the wake of the 1918 Spanish Flu. The level of preventative measures taken today are in line with the previous time period. What is different is now we are a MUCH more mobile country, and a MUCH more urban country. Both the amount of epidemiologic good and the amount of financial harm that can be done by lockdown measures have gone up considerably.

 

[tzcomp]

I just got the first round of the Moderna this morning. It's been an hour and I feel a little lightheaded. Not badly though. I am due to take the second shot in 21 days. I will update. If you don't hear from me again, it's been great talking to you all.

Day after first shot update. My arm hurts where the injection was made, but only about as much as a steroid shot. Made sleep a little uncomfortable at first last night, but once asleep, I slept like a log. I'm 68, smoke, and don't exercise like I should, so I thought I would be a good gauge of the tribulations of getting the vaccine. It hurts to lift my arm, but that should go away by tomorrow.

 

[IamScotticus]

Lingering shot sensitivity for a few days has been consistent with others have said.

 

[TxCajun]

24 hours after the 1st modena, my arm was a little sore for about 24 more hours. It was not a big deal at all, just noticable. I expected much worse. There were zero other symptoms. I've read that you are more likely to have some minor symptoms like fatigue after the 2nd shot.

 

[tzcomp]

24 hours after the 1st modena, my arm was a little sore for about 24 more hours. It was not a big deal at all, just noticable. I expected much worse. There were zero other symptoms. I've read that you are more likely to have some minor symptoms like fatigue after the 2nd shot.

My last log until my second dose. TxCajun was exactly right. 48 hours later, no pain (except to touch the injection point, and very slight pain) and no ill effects. Oddly, there is no euphoric feeling that I am out of danger from this virus. Maybe, just maybe, this will be the impetus for the scientific community to finally eradicate the nasty viruses that cause the flu and the common cold.
My daughter asked on facebook if anyone knew of a daily pot smoker who has died from the corona virus. Makes you wonder.

 

[TxCajun]

Willie Nelson ain't dead yet.

 

[davek]

I get my first injection on Jan 20.

 

[RAT76]

Willie Nelson ain't dead yet.

 

[BlakeHanson]

24 hours after the 1st modena, my arm was a little sore for about 24 more hours. It was not a big deal at all, just noticable. I expected much worse. There were zero other symptoms. I've read that you are more likely to have some minor symptoms like fatigue after the 2nd shot.

Ask anybody that got the smallpox vaccine, this one is minor.
I'll take the Moderna one as soon as I can find it available.
It'll be my luck that every other one will be available but it, all the way down to Chlorox, Colegate-Palmolive, Johnson&Johnson, etc.

A real shot (smallpox vaccination):

(Shown above, the vaccination scar on a person's arm that DID NOT die from smallpox)