Washers?

Discussion in 'P-3AT' started by kb61751, Sep 12, 2007.

  1. kb61751

    kb61751 New Member

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    Aug 20, 2007
    Do the nylon washers really work? Why not steel washers? Thoughts.... :-/
     
  2. rcmodel

    rcmodel New Member

    Feb 6, 2005
    Eastern Kansas
    Why not steel 1911 recoil buffers too?
    They should last forever!

    Actually, I should let JFB answer this, as he invented it.
    But I think it had something to do with "easily shaped to fit", and "offer some impact absorbing qualities" as well.

    And by all accounts, they work very very well!

    rcmodel
     

  3. kb61751

    kb61751 New Member

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    Aug 20, 2007
    Thanks, just trying to think a fix in my mind, and what is actually causing it. Is it the guide rod or the smaller spring causing the peening? The P32 doesn't seem to be affected by this, it has a polymer guide rod. Thanks.
     
  4. rcmodel

    rcmodel New Member

    Feb 6, 2005
    Eastern Kansas
    It all started when KT changed from a flat spring pocket milled in the slide to a tapered one cut with what appears to be a drill bit.

    That leaves a thin almost knife edge on the hole.
    The washer provides spring support to keep the edge from rolling outward.

    I don't think the poly rod would help all that much as the stacked springs are doing most of the beating.

    Hopefully JFB will be along soon and provide much more valid info.
    He has it down to a science.

    rcmodel
     
  5. RAT76

    RAT76 Active Member

    Aug 21, 2006
    Oklahoma
    I think that the nonsteel washer also provides a nonwearing/lubricated surface for the steel guide rod to run thru. Any wear occurs in the washer not the rod. May even be some cushioning effect.
     
  6. kb61751

    kb61751 New Member

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    Aug 20, 2007
    Thanks rcmodel. I just have been thinking about it. Maybe he can answer if a stronger 1/4" od spring, instead of the two on there now would work better. Maybe this is a mood point since KT will replace it anyway.
     
  7. rcmodel

    rcmodel New Member

    Feb 6, 2005
    Eastern Kansas
    Not enough room in the gun for a strong enough single spring.

    The double springs are almost, or are, stacking up at full slide travel.

    rcmodel
     
  8. JFB

    JFB New Member

    Jul 25, 2005
    More like an extensive search through all my parts catoluges looking for a CHEAP drop in.

    The choice for the one I made available to KTOG members was a lot more than the "first one that fits", However, I'm not going to go thru all the things I considered.

    When some one has to ASK how to install one or how it works, I recomend you don't install them, and I would not provide them

    Now N_A_S was gractious enough to take on the responsibilty to distrubute them to the group. But he requires a signed waiver that you are knowledable enough to understand the risk and consiquences

    If you don't SEE the benifit of a nylon washer, DON'T put one in your gun

    BTW, my P32 has the drilled slide so it has one fitted too.
     
  9. JFB

    JFB New Member

    Jul 25, 2005
    The KT springs are some of the most well engineered I have seen.  The springs have been something I work on quite often.  It seems the space available requires a rather exotic spring.  the material KT uses allows a very high working stress.
     
  10. kb61751

    kb61751 New Member

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    Aug 20, 2007
    I appoligize, I am not trying to upset anyone here. I understand how to install them, and the intended purpose. I guess I have too much idle time on my hands, just thinking....... :-/
     
  11. JFB

    JFB New Member

    Jul 25, 2005
    no offense at all. i know i sounded rather coarse.

    encouraging experimentation and sharing that knowlede is the big draw to KTOG.

    having just written that, and recalling my above response, i need to apoligise.
     
  12. kb61751

    kb61751 New Member

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    Aug 20, 2007
    Thanks accepted !! :)
     
  13. RetiredLt.

    RetiredLt. Guest

    Can you tell me who has the washers for sale? Went to the range Tuesday and after about 150 rounds the 380 shows definate signs of peening. I can see a little of the spring thru the hole. On a happy note, only had one failure to eject.
     
  14. JFB

    JFB New Member

    Jul 25, 2005
    Click HERE to go to a post in the "Trading Section"

    N_A_S is the distributor of the nylon washers and has a disclaimer before he sends them out.

    If you want you might need to search for the past post that gives more detail in how they came about .

    However if you have Any questions, please ask
     
  15. Click link below to see more info on the washers and how to order.

    http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1175020076
     
  16. Motor56

    Motor56 New Member

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    Oct 4, 2007
    In the disclaimer it specifically says 2nd gen pistols. So should I understand that as the 1st gens don't have this problem?
     
  17. JFB

    JFB New Member

    Jul 25, 2005
    The recoil guide hole for the 1G is a metal insert into the slide. thus there is no 1/4 hole that could be drilled too deep.
    if this insert (square washer) was to peen, it could easily be changed. A nylon washer could still be used as a buffer though
     
  18. Motor56

    Motor56 New Member

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    Oct 4, 2007
    Thanks for the info. I've had a 1st gen for about 2 years and it got lost in the safe and I just found it and now I'm wanting to do stuff to it.
     
  19. JFB

    JFB New Member

    Jul 25, 2005
    How about..................................................................................................................shoot it ;D

    Welcome to KTOG

    If you have any problems, there is a lot of knowledge here on getting a 1G correct (not me though ;))
     
  20. Gun lost in the safe?....

    Seems to me that is gun abuse and you should there fore put it up for adoption....

    adamsesq can work up the papers for us!

    Oh wait..... I too have neglected to play with a few of my guns for extended periods of time and am always pleased with the fun of "finding" them again.

    As JFB said.... go shoot the thing ;D