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Discussion in 'P-3AT' started by kb61751, Sep 12, 2007.
Do the nylon washers really work? Why not steel washers? Thoughts.... :-/
Why not steel 1911 recoil buffers too?
They should last forever!
Actually, I should let JFB answer this, as he invented it.
But I think it had something to do with "easily shaped to fit", and "offer some impact absorbing qualities" as well.
And by all accounts, they work very very well!
Thanks, just trying to think a fix in my mind, and what is actually causing it. Is it the guide rod or the smaller spring causing the peening? The P32 doesn't seem to be affected by this, it has a polymer guide rod. Thanks.
It all started when KT changed from a flat spring pocket milled in the slide to a tapered one cut with what appears to be a drill bit.
That leaves a thin almost knife edge on the hole.
The washer provides spring support to keep the edge from rolling outward.
I don't think the poly rod would help all that much as the stacked springs are doing most of the beating.
Hopefully JFB will be along soon and provide much more valid info.
He has it down to a science.
I think that the nonsteel washer also provides a nonwearing/lubricated surface for the steel guide rod to run thru. Any wear occurs in the washer not the rod. May even be some cushioning effect.
Thanks rcmodel. I just have been thinking about it. Maybe he can answer if a stronger 1/4" od spring, instead of the two on there now would work better. Maybe this is a mood point since KT will replace it anyway.
Not enough room in the gun for a strong enough single spring.
The double springs are almost, or are, stacking up at full slide travel.
More like an extensive search through all my parts catoluges looking for a CHEAP drop in.
The choice for the one I made available to KTOG members was a lot more than the "first one that fits", However, I'm not going to go thru all the things I considered.
When some one has to ASK how to install one or how it works, I recomend you don't install them, and I would not provide them
Now N_A_S was gractious enough to take on the responsibilty to distrubute them to the group. But he requires a signed waiver that you are knowledable enough to understand the risk and consiquences
If you don't SEE the benifit of a nylon washer, DON'T put one in your gun
BTW, my P32 has the drilled slide so it has one fitted too.
The KT springs are some of the most well engineered I have seen. The springs have been something I work on quite often. It seems the space available requires a rather exotic spring. the material KT uses allows a very high working stress.
I appoligize, I am not trying to upset anyone here. I understand how to install them, and the intended purpose. I guess I have too much idle time on my hands, just thinking....... :-/
no offense at all. i know i sounded rather coarse.
encouraging experimentation and sharing that knowlede is the big draw to KTOG.
having just written that, and recalling my above response, i need to apoligise.
Thanks accepted !!
Can you tell me who has the washers for sale? Went to the range Tuesday and after about 150 rounds the 380 shows definate signs of peening. I can see a little of the spring thru the hole. On a happy note, only had one failure to eject.
Click HERE to go to a post in the "Trading Section"
N_A_S is the distributor of the nylon washers and has a disclaimer before he sends them out.
If you want you might need to search for the past post that gives more detail in how they came about .
However if you have Any questions, please ask
Click link below to see more info on the washers and how to order.
In the disclaimer it specifically says 2nd gen pistols. So should I understand that as the 1st gens don't have this problem?
The recoil guide hole for the 1G is a metal insert into the slide. thus there is no 1/4 hole that could be drilled too deep.
if this insert (square washer) was to peen, it could easily be changed. A nylon washer could still be used as a buffer though
Thanks for the info. I've had a 1st gen for about 2 years and it got lost in the safe and I just found it and now I'm wanting to do stuff to it.
How about..................................................................................................................shoot it ;D
Welcome to KTOG
If you have any problems, there is a lot of knowledge here on getting a 1G correct (not me though )
Gun lost in the safe?....
Seems to me that is gun abuse and you should there fore put it up for adoption....
adamsesq can work up the papers for us!
Oh wait..... I too have neglected to play with a few of my guns for extended periods of time and am always pleased with the fun of "finding" them again.
As JFB said.... go shoot the thing ;D