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A decade or so ago, Kel Tec designed to redesign their moderately successful Sub9 rifle and came up with a gun that was an instant hit. Dubbed the SUB2000, this little pistol caliber carbine is in a class of its own due to its features. Oh yeah, and it folds in half too.


(The short-lived Sub9)

In 1996, the Cocoa Beach based Kel Tec workshop came up with a pretty groovy little carbine. Chambered for pistol calibers and made of an aircraft grade aluminum tubing, steel 16.1-inch barrel, simple receiver, polymer forearm, sights and abbreviated buttstock, it could fold to a positively neat 16x7-inch platform. Unfolded the gun was 31-inches long and weighed 4.6-pounds unloaded.

The grip assembly was made interchangeable to accept either the double-stack mags for the Smith and Wesson 59, Glock 17, or SIG P226 series 9mm handguns, which at the time were the three most popular on the market. This gun was called the SUB9 and it had a $700 MSRP, which adjusted for inflation in today\'s figures, is about $1040 smackers.

(The SUB2000 was as basic as you can get with its blowback action)

It was an interesting concept but just too expensive for what it was. With that in mind, Kel Tec soon added a Beretta magazine option to the other three available, added an option for a .40S&W variant, and replaced as many aluminum parts as possible with polymer. This had the effect of making the gun a half-pound lighter, an inch or so shorter overall and a lot more affordable. It could be field stripped into its basic components without tools.

Specs per KelTec\'s website
  • Calibers: 9mm Luger or 40 S&W
  • Weight unloaded 4.0 lbs. 1.8kg
  • Length Open: 29.5\" 749mm
  • Length Closed 16\" 406mm
  • Barrel length: 16.1\" 408mm
  • Aperture rear, Circular hood, Adjustable front Practical range/ over: 150yds / 150m
  • Rifle features an internal keyed deployment lock. Rifle can be reduced to a size of 16\" x 7\" to facilitate secure storage
  • MSRP $409.00. (However, like most Kel Tecs, street price is about 25-35% higher than this due to demand.)
The 9mm SUB-2000 can be configured in the following magazine types: GLK17, GLK19, S&W59, BERETTA92, and SIG226.

The .40 SUB-2000 can be configured in the following magazine types: GLK22, GLK23, BERETTA96, S&W4006, and SIG226.

The legendary Hickok45 gives his impression of the SUB2000

Comparing the gun

In the world of pistol caliber carbines that are in current production, the Kel Tec Sub2000 seems to be in its own category. There are guns half its price (the Hi-Point 995, 4095, and 4595), and guns nearly twice the price (the Beretta CX4). To justify the gun being twice as much as the famously reliable Hi-Point, you have to understand that the Sub2000 both folds in half for compact storage and has the benefit of using standard handgun mags from major manufacturers like Glock, S&W and SIG, whereas the Hi-Point is restricted to 10-rounder proprietary mags. In competition against the Beretta, the Italian gun has much better styling and the benefit of being able to use Beretta 92 mags, but still doesn\'t fold in half and costs a good bit more.

One thing that both Beretta and Hi-Point offer that no Kel Tec carbine does, however (Are you listening down there in Cocoa Beach?), is a .45ACP variant.

Still, it\'s a reliable and compact little fun gun that hits where you aim it and can be there when you need it.

Oh yeah, and it folds in half.



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I've read the posts concerning the legality of the Sub 2000 in California. I still have a question - - do you need a bullet button, stock extension AND a grip wrap to make it legal or is the bullet button and stock extension sufficient? Thanks
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