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Well,

I know where it is. At this moment, it is in my saddlebag while I type from a rest area off I45 - just south of Corsicana.

Yes, it were me that caved after watching it taunt me from Gunbroker for 'bout half a year.

For anyone else that studied the 23 images in that auction ... the tip off scope mount is actually missing even though the forend is cut for it. The factory light survives.

If you missed that auction, you should know it also came with a 4 rail, 420 forend Kel Tec modified for a Sub 9 (PM me if you think the 420 should hit the trading post).

And before I get moving ... dropping one more detail I had not seen mentioned 'bout this example. It ain't Aluminum - this'n is steel (takes a magnet) and heavy. I'll break out the scale when I make it back to H-town. I'll take pics and reveal plans then too.
 

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You sir have a unicorn (there were fewer than 10 made as far as I know). I wouldn't touch a thing on it. I'm not surprised they milled it from steel since the 357 SIG round was known to beat these things to death.
 
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Yes, I know. I am just one of them dudes. I'm gonna shoot it. Unless the barrel is consumed, I'm gonna enjoy shooting it.

An internet buddy named my Marlin 1895 for me after I installed the MI mlok forend, pic rail and 1-4 LPVO. He commented that it was blasphemous, and she was tag'd Blastphemy.

Truth is, I really hoped the twist-off optic mount was still with the carbine. But I have already received my Red Lion Sub 9 forend which was my twist-off backup.


Here, we can see (1) the Kel Tec 420 forend, (2) an Mlok Sub 9 forend, (3) the factory light which KT repaired last year, (4) An MCARBO P11 trigger that some suspect may drop in and (5) a Tandemcross bolt tube cover. Not shown is an Odin Works Zulu 2.0 buttstock, and optic is presently undecided.

The good news for everyone recovering from an uncontrollable cringe is: everything is reversible minus the twist off optic mount lost somewhere in the 20 year chain of custody.

And, here are the fresh pictures. And I'm not so certain this is one of the Ten anymore. More behind that suspicion in a moment.







So ... were the Sub 9 grips made from plastic? These are plastic with wooden grip panels. Next issue and possibly a real dissapointment ... she's not locking back on empty mags. I hope this feature will be restored by some routine maintenance when I open her up.
 

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My SUB9s, both 9mm & .40 had/have aluminum grips with plastic panels. You sure they are plastic? S9s had removable grip assemblies unlike the S2K.
 

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Love the wood grip panels. And as the creator of the Q-36 Illudium Explosive Space ModulatOr I am the last guy to tell you what you should or should not do to your weapon. I just know how rare these things are. I actually had the folding scope parts you need until a few years ago. I passed them on to another member a few years ago - sorry I don't remember who - since I had no intention of putting them to use.
 
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My SUB9s, both 9mm & .40 had/have aluminum grips with plastic panels. You sure they are plastic? S9s had removable grip assemblies unlike the S2K.
LMBO ... 'cause you are correct. They are in fact aluminum. Found a tiny chip in the coating. Turns out steel and aluminum feel more different than I had realized.

@3wbdriver ... I did not even realize the tip off existed until 'bout the time you and RAT started getting like notifications from all the necro threads I have been consumed while striking my acquisition deal. That tip off design just strokes my inner geek the right way. Heck, just having that rectangle cut out of the hand guard had me shopping pistol scopes a couple hours ago. Thing is: it does NOT have a rear sight. So, without the tipoff, the factory handguard is useless to me. So, I'll play with copying the design - there are some fairly detailed images to model. Got a buddy already offered his machining skills. In the same regard, the front sight will be pulled - it is just a fancy latch as configured.
 

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S9 scope mount pics now in porn thread


I left photobucket & deleted my pics. I really need to fix those lost S9 pics. I still have them.
 
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@RAT76 ,

Thank you for reposting to the porn thread. I definitely got some improved images. This little bugger will apparently cost me more than planned. I started looking inside and:

The plastic buffer is sheared into two pieces and the recoil spring half is melted to the spring. I already have a replacement buffer and a replacement sub2k spring. Kel Tec replaced the Sub 9 spring with a S2k spring in 2019 according to the records I got. I cannot imagine how that much heat got transfered all the way to the butt end of the bolt tube - worried it was gross abuse.

Next, I started to investigate why empty mags won't block the bolt. I cannot find the bolt catch or th bolt catch spring. So, will you or @3wbdriver shine a flashlight up the bolt tube and shoot me some pics of the view through the ejection port? I cannot tell how it is seated from the parts diagram (#s 280 & 284 on the diagram).

Frankly, it is clear that there has never been a rear sight on #3400. The barrel hinge is solid and will not accomodate sight attachment. With steel receiver in place of aluminum, I wonder if bolt hold open was also sac'd for the 357. Plan is to call KT and Twisted Industries next week and do a little brain picking.

And, @RAT76 ... data point for you: #3400 receiver screws are set slightly deeper than flush.
 

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Thank you sir. Looks like she may be making another trip to FL. Parts are definitely missing, and my understanding is KT won't release the part to me but will repair/replace if they have them. Fingers crossed since the bolt hold open is the major feature I was chasing in the Sub 9.
 

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Wish they would have kept the lock back feature in the current design of the Gen2
 
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It's been a long time since I've had an S2K. Does the entire bolt rotate when you put it in the holding notch orj ust the rear half? If so that's a reason to not have the last shot hold open. That & one less failure mode. They did that with the P3AT. P32 has hold open.
 
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It's been a long time since I've had an S2K. Does the entire bolt rotate when you put it in the holding notch orj ust the rear half? If so that's a reason to not have the last shot hold open. That & one less failure mode. They did that with the P3AT. P32 has hold open.
The entire bolt is rotated to catch the charging handle in the s2k.

And I ran a single mag today. Indoor range, very close. Shotgun sighted 'cause no rear sight.



So, I am happy. The spread was deliberate when I realized ragged holes wouldn't do much to confirm bullet stability. Nice round holes - good. Reasonable group sizes given lack of sighting system. I had a single failure to feed, but I believe the failure resulted from Remington Green/White UMC ammo inconsistency. Grabbed the case well enough to crease it badly.

Recoil impulse is pleasant. Very little muzzle displacement. I'm on the trigger fence. Feedback was decent and the shoe makes it feel more solid than simple polymer.

So, I look forward to installing Red Lion with some sighting system, tacticool buffer, replacement KT Buffer and Odin Works so I can stretch it out to 50yds by next weekend.
 

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When I saw how the hold back worked by rising up in front of the bolt face I figured the S2K had an "improvement" that made the hold back no longer workable.

It looks like your barrel is a little longer than stock SUB9. BTW that front sight has a set screw that unclamps it from the barrel. Totally reversible. :)
 
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This appears to be the very same rifle: I own a Sub 2000 in 357 SIG and have some questions.

The only KTOGer I know of from Florida who is deceased is haugrdr.

Interesting that the receiver is a different shape behind the grip from a 9 mm or.40 S&W SUB 9. It looks a couple of inches longer. I'm wondering if the bolt and/or carrier isn't longer to make it heavier for the .357 SIG round. Do you have a 9 or 40 SUB 9 or Sub 2000 to compare it to?

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Dang I wish I had one in 357 SIG. I had no idea they existed, or I might have been bidding against you.

Great find!
 

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BTW that front sight has a set screw that unclamps it from the barrel. Totally reversible. :)
Thank you for this. I have an AK sight tool landing today so I can gain access. Dunno if I would have found it. From the owners manual diagram it appears to be hidden below the sight post?

The only KTOGer I know of from Florida who is deceased is haugrdr.

Interesting that the receiver is a different shape behind the grip from a 9 mm or.40 S&W SUB 9. It looks a couple of inches longer. I'm wondering if the bolt and/or carrier isn't longer to make it heavier for the .357 SIG round. Do you have a 9 or 40 SUB 9 or Sub 2000 to compare it to?
History shared by the dealer when I picked it up did have it coming to TX with a FL Transplant. Same sub as well. Thanks for linking me to that post.
 

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Yep they hid it. Took me a while to find it.

The SUB357s were all make for KT employees. Sounds like this is one of them.

A little over 10 or 12 years back one of our members scored one, not this one as he was in NY & later moved to SE TX. He passed away a short while back. Doesn't sound like this one was his. His boy would know what he had & I doubt would be selling it.

When looking for something like this haunt Gunbroker & look at all the S2k listings not just SUB 9, 40 etc. I found one of my S9s listed as an S2K. Nobody but me bid on the funny looking S2k with the 18 inch barrel. I scored it for a little over $300 for a rare (IIRC 320 made?) Canadian export SUB9. It also came from FL. Probably an employee owned, didn't get shipped to Canada situation.
 
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A little over 10 or 12 years back one of our members scored one, not this one as he was in NY & later moved to SE TX.
I do have this service record from a recent trip to Kel Tec:

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This is the redacted posting from the gunbroker listing. I found it in North East Texas.

I still need to call KT about the bolt stop and spring.

Progress: AK sight tool late - now promised for today. So, worked on buttstock yesterday. Sub 9 buttstock removed (captured pin is slick); AR buffer tube shortened and hogged out to slip over bolt tube. Tandemcross tube cover trimmed to work with mods. Just need to drill tube for buffer pin. Need to confirm s2k charging handle is compatible before fitting MCARBO skeletonized and anti rotation pin. .
 

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Ok ... fun and fun. She's dressed up for shoot'n and this is the first time actually comparing to the Sub 2000. Both the barrel and stock are noticeably longer.

The Sub 2k actually sports a MFT Minimalist Buttstock, but we've been playing with the Missouri Tactical pad. MFT Minimalist won out that comparison but I had her down waiting on this new optic riser.




Yes, the Sub 357 can be restored. These mods are entirely reversible.
 
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