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I have a gen 1 and a gen 2 sub2k. The gen one trigger is fine. My question is reguarding the gen 2 trigger. I dont know if this is normal or if its a problem. When you pull back right about where you'd expect it to break it breaks but doesnt fire, then you have to continue to pull back further until it breaks a second time and fires. Once you hit the first break, you can release it and the trigger doesnt reset, and there will only be the long pull one break in the trigger when you re-pull.
 

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Welcome to the KTOG, oldbrowngun :)

Your trigger concerns have been discussed extensively on the board.
Some have addressed it by trigger replacement (2 available choices) or a combination of modification/gunsmithing to improve performance & feel.

The KTOG member (Beastly) has posted his trigger journey, which I found very interesting and insightful.
If you have the time, I'd recommend it as a good source of information.

Thanks for joining our group.
 

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Welcome to the KTOG, oldbrowngun :)

Your trigger concerns have been discussed extensively on the board.
Some have addressed it by trigger replacement (2 available choices) or a combination of modification/gunsmithing to improve performance & feel.

The KTOG member (Beastly) has posted his trigger journey, which I found very interesting and insightful.
If you have the time, I'd recommend it as a good source of information.

Thanks for joining our group.

I am aware that the gen 2 is susposed to have a worse trigger. I am wondering if this is normal however, the way that this trigger is bad.
 

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That post still doesn't answer my question of weather a click and release should happen of my trigger before a 2nd release makes it go bang. Is it really that hard for someone to say yes or no my gen 2 does this rather then point me to a point that doesnt answer my question? I' ve done looked over multiple gen 2 sight posts here before i posted. Im not trying to upgrade the trigger I can deal with a crappy trigger im trying to figure out if theres something wrong my with trigger to where i need to send my firearm back to kel tech for repairs.
 

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It sounds to me like you may have a rough spot on the trigger transfer bar. How many rounds have you shot? If you haven't yet, try running a couple hundred rounds through it to see if that spot goes away with break in. If you're just plain unhappy with how it feels call Kel-tec and see what they suggest.

You're new to the forum and we have members trying to help you. Don't get defensive and grumpy unless someone actually suggests you are dumb, which I have not seen. Either we'll help you figure it out or Kel-tec will fix it.
 

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It sounds to me like you may have a rough spot on the trigger transfer bar. How many rounds have you shot? If you haven't yet, try running a couple hundred rounds through it to see if that spot goes away with break in. If you're just plain unhappy with how it feels call Kel-tec and see what they suggest.

You're new to the forum and we have members trying to help you. Don't get defensive and grumpy unless someone actually suggests you are dumb, which I have not seen. Either we'll help you figure it out or Kel-tec will fix it.
Im sorry but pointing me toward posts that in no way answer my question rather then answer my question is not trying to help me. Its a common exasperated forum response of "Do a search its there." I had already done a search, couldnt find my particular problem which is why I asked the question. If they dont want to answer my question then i'd rather them not try to "help" me, by pointing me in the wrong direction. I grow tired of forum politics, either answer or dont, I dont need people to give me a speach about the search function everytime I ask a question. I had previously heard the gen 2 had a crappy trigger, as I mentioned in my original post so I dont need to be pointed somewhere telling me that. I was simply trying to figure out if my particular reason was normal and why it had a crappy trigger, or if it just had a heavy sloppy trigger normally and my particular problem was something wrong with the weapon. I dont think asking for a strait answer is getting defensive or grumpy.
 

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You addressed the 2nd part of my post but not the first. The 2nd Gen Sub2000 is still fairly new to this forum and production, and your particular problem has not cropped up in here before. I've been a member of this smallish forum for over 10 years and we don't do "forum politics". We also have short shrift for rude. Someone provided you a link to someone else's thread discussing his Gen 1's issues and how he addressed them. It seems apparent that no one else has had this staging problem until yours showed up. I will again suggest you contact Kel-tec and see what they have to say.

Or do as I suggested above and run a couple hundred rounds through it to see if the problem resolves itself during break in. This will be my last "suggestion" to you since I don't own a Gen 2 and can only provide what logic seems to suggest instead of cold hard facts.
 

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It sounds like you're expecting the trigger to always fire on the first "break" but it never does. Then it always fires on the second break, which is the actual break in the trigger. So you should probably realize, at some point, that the first break isn't an actual break. Then, when you hit the actual break, letting it out slightly will reset the trigger.

You are being very mean to people trying to help you out with a question. Obviously the first "break" isn't an actual break, but you don't seem to figure that out. There will be no trigger reset if the gun doesn't fire. So if you are hitting your idea of a first break, that doesn't fire or cycle the gun, why would you think that the trigger would click and reset?

I understand I am being a bit harsh here, but it sounds like the problem is more of an operator problem and not a device problem (really its a problem with how the operator thinks the device should work). If you really want to get rid of that first "break" then you will have t do some work to the trigger group to make it go away. My sub has the same feeling. It gets to a point that feels like it's about to shoot, but then it just gets spongy and needs to travel farther to get to the actual firing position.
 

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It sounds like you're expecting the trigger to always fire on the first "break" but it never does. Then it always fires on the second break, which is the actual break in the trigger. So you should probably realize, at some point, that the first break isn't an actual break. Then, when you hit the actual break, letting it out slightly will reset the trigger.

You are being very mean to people trying to help you out with a question. Obviously the first "break" isn't an actual break, but you don't seem to figure that out. There will be no trigger reset if the gun doesn't fire. So if you are hitting your idea of a first break, that doesn't fire or cycle the gun, why would you think that the trigger would click and reset?

I understand I am being a bit harsh here, but it sounds like the problem is more of an operator problem and not a device problem (really its a problem with how the operator thinks the device should work). If you really want to get rid of that first "break" then you will have t do some work to the trigger group to make it go away. My sub has the same feeling. It gets to a point that feels like it's about to shoot, but then it just gets spongy and needs to travel farther to get to the actual firing position.
My problem isnt the same as yours, it doesnt get to a feeling that feels like its about to shoot, it literally clicks like the hammer dropped off the sear, then continues to pull almost to the back of the trigger guard, then clicks a second time and fires.
 

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You addressed the 2nd part of my post but not the first. The 2nd Gen Sub2000 is still fairly new to this forum and production, and your particular problem has not cropped up in here before. I've been a member of this smallish forum for over 10 years and we don't do "forum politics". We also have short shrift for rude. Someone provided you a link to someone else's thread discussing his Gen 1's issues and how he addressed them. It seems apparent that no one else has had this staging problem until yours showed up. I will again suggest you contact Kel-tec and see what they have to say.

Or do as I suggested above and run a couple hundred rounds through it to see if the problem resolves itself during break in. This will be my last "suggestion" to you since I don't own a Gen 2 and can only provide what logic seems to suggest instead of cold hard facts.
Providing a link to gen 1 issues to solve a gen 2 problem doesnt help me. Im not trying to be rude im just being blunt. To answer your question i've only taken it out once, put probably 100-150 through it.
 

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To the original poster, i dont think your rifle has a unique problem. My gen 2 did/does the same thing only much less frequently.now that I have a few hundred rounds through it and have sprayed remoil inside the trigger mechanism and also in the sear area.
 

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That first click shouldn't be there. I bet a spring or something is a bit out of place or kinked, or something is lodged in the action. Not positive...but neither one of the 2 (first gen and a second gen) I've owned had that first click.

Does the safety work correctly? Pop it in and out a few dozen times, see if that changes anything.
 

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That first click shouldn't be there. I bet a spring or something is a bit out of place or kinked, or something is lodged in the action. Not positive...but neither one of the 2 (first gen and a second gen) I've owned had that first click.

Does the safety work correctly? Pop it in and out a few dozen times, see if that changes anything.
This didnt fix it but I noticed the safty did feel weird when turning it to saftey. I get a positive click from safe to fire but from fire to safe its very spungy and odd feeling. I read somewhere someone fixed an odd trigger simply by taking it apart and they suspected they unbound something. I may give this a try before I go through the warranty process. Is it normal for the trigger to go all the way to the back of the trigger guard before firing though? The first click would seem like the more natural firing spot.
 

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I can't check mine right now...the wife is in bed. :eek:

Doesn't pay to wake She Who Must Be Obeyed. :rayof:
 

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If you plan to take it apart it seems the thread talking about the Aztec trigger had a good video for disassembly/assembly. I haven't taken mine apart to that level, but some say it is a bit difficult.
 
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