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Ok thanks. I'm all over the place right now. Gonna try some different ammo but right now I guess I'm at least 5" and all over. Seem I got er running pretty well just not consistent accuracy.
 

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Yesterday...30 shots...one mag of 15 loaded with 115gr and one mag of 15 loaded with 124gr...stock iron sights...offhand...25yds...



outside of one flier from re-seating my cheek on the pipe?...I think the other 29rds could be covered with a pack of marlboro reds.

I might also note that I'm a diabetic who just suffered a stroke 9 months ago where my fine motor skills aren't exactly what they used to be but I'm getting there....at least I'm still living my life and enjoying it! LOL!'

But I say the SUB2000 is a dandy shooter for what it is...rats at 25yds don't stand a prayer and from a folding, pipe stocked, 16" barreled 9mm auto carbine?... I think that's real decent accuracy.
 

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Yesterday...30 shots...one mag of 15 loaded with 115gr and one mag of 15 loaded with 124gr...stock iron sights...offhand...25yds...



outside of one flier from re-seating my cheek on the pipe?...I think the other 29rds could be covered with a pack of marlboro reds.

I might also note that I'm a diabetic who just suffered a stroke 9 months ago where my fine motor skills aren't exactly what they used to be but I'm getting there....at least I'm still living my life and enjoying it! LOL!'

But I say the SUB2000 is a dandy shooter for what it is...rats at 25yds don't stand a prayer and from a folding, pipe stocked, 16" barreled 9mm auto carbine?... I think that's real decent accuracy.
Nice shooting Jinkster!
 

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Ok thanks. I'm all over the place right now. Gonna try some different ammo but right now I guess I'm at least 5" and all over. Seem I got er running pretty well just not consistent accuracy.
I shot the above group using a front rest. But I have claimed for years this little guy is 1 gallon milk jug accurate at 100 yards. And that was with the old 8 MOA wide blade front sight. You should be looking at 5" at 100 yards, but not at 25. It may be your ammo, it may be your hold/cheek weld, or it may be the trigger is still too stiff.
 

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Thanks again.

Ha yeah practice makes better for sure. It very well may be that. I have had this thing for years but never shot it much. Had stove pipe issues and lost interest. I have been playing with it lately and have solved the stove pipe,I hope. I shot about 150 rounds the other day with no problems. I did put a Red Lion front sight on it so it should be a bit better than that crapy sight it came with. I do notice my brass comes out pretty dirty. Not sure if that is an indication of a problem or not. I may not be the best shot in the world but I'm better than 5" at 25yards. LOL I'll figure it out. Could be my load. I worked up some different ones tonight and will try them in the next day or so.
 

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Good accuracy

... Could be my load. I worked up some different ones tonight and will try them in the next day or so.
That's a good place to start. :D

... Where would you start with the 2000?
Lighter bullets with slower powders have worked well for my Sub-2000. Gen 2.

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Thanks again.

Ha yeah practice makes better for sure. It very well may be that. I have had this thing for years but never shot it much. Had stove pipe issues and lost interest. I have been playing with it lately and have solved the stove pipe,I hope. I shot about 150 rounds the other day with no problems. I did put a Red Lion front sight on it so it should be a bit better than that crapy sight it came with. I do notice my brass comes out pretty dirty. Not sure if that is an indication of a problem or not. I may not be the best shot in the world but I'm better than 5" at 25yards. LOL I'll figure it out. Could be my load. I worked up some different ones tonight and will try them in the next day or so.
Just out of curiously, have you tried factory loads? I noticed in your post that you reload.
 

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Just out of curiously, have you tried factory loads? I noticed in your post that you reload.
Amen. Before you start changing components, adding accessories, and using custom ammo, you should shoot a new firearm through the break-in period completely stock and using whatever factory ammo gives the best results. Then, when you make changes (only one at a time please), you have a baseline to work from.
 

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Kinda thinking the same thing. Oh she is well past the break in period. Been on the shelf so long don't remember anything about it but the stove pipes. I think I am past that. I have some factory ammo so maybe I'll try that first. Awful expensive though. LOL
I tried some powder coated with little luck. I loaded some lubed lead that I will try along with some Berry's. Before I do any of that I'll try the factory. If I remember correctly this carbine does not like light loads. I have some Federal I will try but they may stove pipe. We will see.

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Accuracy when it comes to MY subbie....if I can make a soda can dance at 25 yards, I'm a very happy camper.

Minute of paper plate at 50 yards makes me sing like a birdie.

If I can put shots consistently on a 16"x16" paper target at 75 yards...I can take a deer with it. What more could I ask for from a little pistol caliber, folding carbine?

And it fits in the saddlebag on my bike.


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Accuracy when it comes to MY subbie....if I can make a soda can dance at 25 yards, I'm a very happy camper.

Minute of paper plate at 50 yards makes me sing like a birdie.

If I can put shots consistently on a 16"x16" paper target at 75 yards...I can take a deer with it. What more could I ask for from a little pistol caliber, folding carbine?

And it fits in the saddlebag on my bike.


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Amen! :)

Some of the guys at work (aerospace machine shop) know my history with the USMC and IPSC Tactical competitions and such where this very issue of accuracy came up which is when I told them....

I kind of feel sorry for these folks I see at ranges where they break out what is meant to be a defensive tactical weapon and start slow fire bullseye shooting for accuracy because it tells me that they are completely unaware of the fact that...

"There's a huge difference between...Learning How Too Shoot A Gun....and...Knowing How To Fight With One!


My coach/mentor in IPSC once pointed out to me that the reason my scores weren't going up was because I was "Too Accurate"...telling me that what my 90% "A" zone hits told him was that I was taking way to much time aiming...which was costing me points in the end and then he pointed out the IPSC creedo which reads...

"SPEED/POWER/ACCURACY"

and then let me know they weren't in that order by accident cause the first opponent to put a hot piece of lead in the opposition?....

NO MATTER WHERE IT MAY HIT THEM...

wins. ;)
 

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While I do agree with you guys about accuracy with the Sub I think it is important to start somewhere. Finding what it and I am capable of first gives a baseline for further testing. As of now I am pretty sure "We", the sub and I, can do better. I realize it's not intended to be a tack driver but....... I'm having a problem getting consistent hits in an area.LOL Once I figure what it wants and how it wants me to shoot it I can then move on. Just got done working with my 1896. Kinda the same thing with accuracy. I finally found the load it likes and according to others its shooting pretty close to "our" capabilities. Getting an idea as to what the Sub is capable of will keep me from trying to shoot better than it was intended to.
 

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Before I fire the first shot, I need the grips on the 19 I have replaced with grips for the 17. Had I traded for a 17, I would still replace the flexie / stabie trigger with a larger metal one that is smooth & solid to the touch. Since my rifle must be completely disassembled to replace the grips, I may as well take advantage of the situation and perform some internal upgrades like springs, and Jinkster seems to like The Brass Bolt Upgrade, so it's on my list.


I am reading good accuracy reports from those using lighter loads... when I get it up & running, I'll try some 100 gr. for accuracy.
Also, the Ti-RANT .45 is on my radar.
 
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