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This post is copied from the PLR forum where it first appeared. Now that we have two new forums (PLR-22 & SU-22), it has been been copied to both places so discussion can be split among the two new Kel-tecs.

Thanks Toby! :cool:



ktwm said:
since the ad for the PLR-22 has been shown on this website: http://www.shootingindustry.com/
I can announce the new Kel-Tecs for 2008 ;D

They are a dedicated .22LR pistol and rifle, based on the SU/PLR frame. (NOT a conversion kit)
should be shipping Q2 of 08.
Cost of the PLR-22 should be nearly identical to the cost of the SUB-2000 (just under $300 I think)
Cost of the SU-22 will be a little more, though it has not yet been set.





Some more info:
Comes with 27round Black dog machine "ciener" style magazine.
BDM is making a 10round mag so a CA legal rifle is possible (sorry CA, no PLR-22 for you).
All the new stocks for the SU-16 will fit the SU-22 (AR-stock and sidefolder).
No last round bolt hold open since the mags do not have that ability.
 

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I want one.

Hey Toby if ya need any beta testers I will most humbly offer my services. ;)
 

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I was planning on buying the expensive carbine conversion for my Beretta NEOS .22 LR pistol, but it's been "almost ready to ship" for a couple of years. I think they've lost interest. I'd rather buy a Kel-Tec, anyway!

This does answer one burning question I had. I didn't know what to do with my Charlie stock after converting the SU-16C to an SU-16CE with the pistol grip and collapsible AR-15 stock, and soon to the side folding SU-16 butt stock. Now I know. I'm going to have an SU-22C!

I like that it ships with the compact forend! I'm putting a bi-pod on there!

Thank You Kel-Tec!
 

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Now I know. I'm going to have an SU-22C!
THERE is your folding, 22 cal, survival rifle.  
Decent mag capacity to.  :cool:
 

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I am saving my pocket change as I type. ;D  I've been wanting an SU-16 for a while, but .223 ammo has more than doubled in the last few years.  Now I can have one I can afford to shoot! ;)  I just hope the mags for it are not too high, i.e. more than $25 each for the 27 rounders. I also hope the barrel will be threaded, as on the .223 caliber versions.
 

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I read on another forum that brownells will sell the mags (in smoke) for $19.13 in January. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=15&t=356050 They are the same mags used in the most popular (JAC) AR-15 .22LR conversion kits. The mag that comes with the SU/PLR-22 will have the Kel-Tec logo though.  :)

Yes the Barrel is threaded 1/2-28 (Both PLR and SU).  The SU comes with the compact forend because it cannot fit the SU-16 forend/bipod. it uses the PLR-16 attachment style with the threaded nut in the front.

FYI the BDM mags are longer than 30rounders so I don't think the C-model stock will fold over it, but you could insert the mag after it is folded and it could still be a compact survival rifle.
 

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TxCajun said:
[quote author=Liberty4Ever link=1199303919/0#5 date=1199316135]Now I know. I'm going to have an SU-22C!
THERE is your folding, 22 cal, survival rifle.  
Decent mag capacity to.  :cool:
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Make mine a Charlie, too!
Throw in the PLR, as well.

It may be a bit early to make my Santa list, huh?

DANG!!!

-Matt
 

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It wasn't really the "gas tube" in the SU/PLR-16, it was the recoil spring tube. And yes, it is a blowback action so there is no piston and just the recoil spring is in the recoil spring tube.
 

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Oh I WILL have one.

This has replaced the 10/22 on the list of ".22 rifle to get at some point"

Hopefully soon!
 

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Does anyone else think it's weird that a 27 round .22 LR magazine is longer than a 30 round .223 magazine?

As much space as there is in a 30 round .223 magazine and as small as .22 LR ammo is, someone should be able to squeeze 100 rounds in there! :)

This sort of stuff is one of the reasons I was saying it'd be neat to have a purpose built Kel-Tec .22 LR, not that I'll mind having .22 LR versions of the PLR-16 and SU-16! Pretty cool! :cool:
 

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yea,
A purpose built .22 would be nice, but it would not be on the market as quick as the PLR-22 and SU-22 will be (since ALL new parts would have to be made).

and the reason the 27 round .22LR is longer than a 30round .223 is because the .22LR is a single stack, and the .223 is a double stack....It's hard (if not impossible) to make a reliable, double stack .22LR mag. Remember, the BDM mags were made as a replacement to the sheetmetal ciener mags, which were single stack.
 

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Can we realistically expect to see a loaner in time for the KTOG Nationals? ;) It may have to come home to CA with me... minus the magazine of course. :-/
 

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Toby is saying early 2nd quarter of 2008. I bet we see more than a loaner. I also saw mention of impending 10 rd mags for our resident CA gun nuts. :cool:
 

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liveforhuntin said:
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Will a magazine fit inside the stock?
yes and no. it's too long to fit flush, but it will fit in there with one end hanging out some and one set of clasps hold it in some, but not very well.  There may be a way to modify the stock so they fit better, but it will not be advertised as a magazine storage area.


BDM is making some magazines that are pinned to only accept 10rounds (same outside dimensions). currently the PLR-22CA will come with the 27rounder, but there may be a version with the 10rounders, or perhaps the California distributors will swap out the mags. That's the kind of stuff that will be figured out at SHOT show.  Let your dealers or distributors know you are looking for one and they will tell us at SHOT.
 
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