Squibs, Who's had 'em before?
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I had one not too long ago, in my P3AT. Wound up being oil had seeped into a round due to me over oiling the pistol.
Drop of oil penetrated into the round and made it a dud...primer sent the bullet about half way down the barrel. Luckily I heard it go "pop" instead of "BANG."
I'm much more careful with my oiling now.
Drop of oil penetrated into the round and made it a dud...primer sent the bullet about half way down the barrel. Luckily I heard it go "pop" instead of "BANG."
I'm much more careful with my oiling now.
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HeroHog, that has got to be the most unusual squib ever!! I mean you should get an award for that!!
I myself have had 2 squibs, 1 in a SIG 225 and 1 in my AUG. both felt different on hammer drop and I learned a long time ago to listen to my gut. So I checked the bores and and couldn't see daylight. Luckily a bro had a dead blow hammer and a length of rod and was able to tap them out. The weird thing was that both casings ejected although not as far as normal. The report and recoil was clearly different and both loads were factory, mind you this happened 7 years apart and 15000 rds fired total.
Always listen to your gut and an extra 15+ minutes to clear the slug is worth not sustaining an injury or destroying your weapon!!
I myself have had 2 squibs, 1 in a SIG 225 and 1 in my AUG. both felt different on hammer drop and I learned a long time ago to listen to my gut. So I checked the bores and and couldn't see daylight. Luckily a bro had a dead blow hammer and a length of rod and was able to tap them out. The weird thing was that both casings ejected although not as far as normal. The report and recoil was clearly different and both loads were factory, mind you this happened 7 years apart and 15000 rds fired total.
Always listen to your gut and an extra 15+ minutes to clear the slug is worth not sustaining an injury or destroying your weapon!!
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I had one about a year ago. I was shooting federal red box bulk pack 115's in a glock 17. I was shooting in an indoor range with everyone blasting away around me so I was unable to hear a difference. It ejected the case fine but most the power didn't go off. The case was split after later examining it. The round was just far enough in to not chamber the next round. I initially thought I had a double feed until I noticed the case was not in the chamber but something was holding it back from loading. I took a cleaning rod and knocked it back out the way it went in when I noticed no light coming down the barrel. It was hard to see because I forgot my clear shooting glasses and had to use sunglasses. This was the first time I was at this range and the lighting was terrible. I blew most of the power out before shooting again after checking that the gun as ok. I made a few mistakes and got away with some as well. I still shoot the same rounds and this experience hasn't turned me off the brand of ammunition.
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I had one in a Remington 870 Defense while shooting 12 ga. Estate #4 Buckshot. The wad was in the barrel just about where my hand was on the forearm. I was shooting rapid fire and had already racked the slide before my brain registered the different sound.
It was pretty unique, I must admit. As soon as I pulled the trigger I yelled out "SQUIB!" It felt MUCH lighter and sounded different and I instantly KNEW what it was. I pulled the barrel right there and tapped the round out with a cleaning rod and carried on shooting without issue.
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That sounds accurate due to the massive demand. If you have 1 squib load every 10,000 rounds let's say, it would make sense that if you bumped production by a factor of 10 that you would have more factory squibs. QA/QC is pretty good but obviously not perfect. I can say that after firing over a million rounds in my lifetime I have never had a squib with Black Hills. I've easily fired 100,000+ of BH and had nothing but excellent performance. This was both blue and red box but mostly blue box(reloads if you're not familiar with BH, they've changed their packaging since I was a high volume shooter).
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Shoot enough I'm sure its bound to happen to eventually. Fortunately I've not had this privilege yet. A buddy of mine had some 12 gauge shotshells sitting in a truck tool box for a very long time that I wasn't too keen to try in my pump gun. He did and it was quite comical to see a puff of smoke like an old time black and white camera would make come out of the barrel followed by what sounded like a cap gun makes. Then when he pointed it at the ground watched all the shot roll out near his foot. We had a good laugh over that one. Turned out some motor oil had leaked and soaked onto the shells explaining the white smoke cloud it created.
This is me, too.
My worry is whether I will catch it, in the heat of the moment, in a class or a competition atmosphere.
Will I have enough presence-of-mind in the middle of a rapid-fire string?
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Most likely, if you are aiming and shooting, even in rapid fire. The kabooms are usually the product of an inexperienced shooter, and/or magazine dumps in the spray and pray mode.
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To TSi,
I've shot some 3 gun and some steel not to mention some shooting while attempting to stay alive, all I can say is that you need to listen to that voice in your head. When I've gotten my squibs it was during rapid fire drills but that voice, intuition or whatever said "something's not right." Dont second guess it as it will often either keep you or someone else alive or at least uninjured.
Just my experience and humble opinion.
I've shot some 3 gun and some steel not to mention some shooting while attempting to stay alive, all I can say is that you need to listen to that voice in your head. When I've gotten my squibs it was during rapid fire drills but that voice, intuition or whatever said "something's not right." Dont second guess it as it will often either keep you or someone else alive or at least uninjured.
Just my experience and humble opinion.
^ Understood. Thank you.
I do hope that I will have sufficient focus and clarity.
I'm not that experienced, but I think that at a ~0.3 split, I can catch a squib before I trigger off the next round. The problem for me, I fear, is if I'm pushing harder (and that's a "literal" statement, as I'd be pushing: as I noted, I am not that experienced) and it's at the pace of 0.15 splits...I only hope that both you and WPhilB47's encouraging words prove true. That I would have the presence of mind to realize that something is not right, and not break that next shot.
Thank you both for your responses.
Still, this is the type of stuff that keeps me awake at night!
I do hope that I will have sufficient focus and clarity.
I'm not that experienced, but I think that at a ~0.3 split, I can catch a squib before I trigger off the next round. The problem for me, I fear, is if I'm pushing harder (and that's a "literal" statement, as I'd be pushing: as I noted, I am not that experienced
) and it's at the pace of 0.15 splits...I only hope that both you and WPhilB47's encouraging words prove true. That I would have the presence of mind to realize that something is not right, and not break that next shot. Thank you both for your responses.
Still, this is the type of stuff that keeps me awake at night!
I'm a new shooter, only about 800 rounds over the last few months between my s2k and my m&p 9 so having a squib this short into my shooting is kind of alarming. I've actually been super paranoid lately about having one. My paranoia panned out for once and I stopped immediately. Like I said there was no blowback to kick the empty out and chamber the next round. Luckily I was paying attention when I charged the handle it and noticed it was an empty that ejected.
^ You have every right to fee a bit anxious. In your shoes, I certainly would, too. It's still, luckily for all of us, a rather uncommon event, but it's definitely something that we all live with, each day, as a very real risk.
This is definitely one of those hobbies/sports that's got an inherent level of risk.
Just keep on keeping-on with your obviously excellent situational awareness when you're shooting. And remember to fight complacency as you advance.
This is definitely one of those hobbies/sports that's got an inherent level of risk.
Just keep on keeping-on with your obviously excellent situational awareness when you're shooting. And remember to fight complacency as you advance.
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