[Bolander]

This video may've already been posted, but I just now saw it.

Call me an old fuddy-duddy if you will, but being a retired cop/law enforcement firearms instructor, this video scares the crap out of me. I don't know whose daughter this is, but if I was still on the job, I'd arrest her parents. (Child endangerment for starters.)

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(Since this video involved a P-17, that's why I posted this here.)

 

[Bolander]

The first thing that came to mind was the young girl (about the same age) who accidentally killed her firearms instructor with an Uzi.

 

[tzcomp]

First thing that comes to my mind is "sicko"

 

[mark40]

First thing that comes to my mind is "sicko"

Especially since she was coached to throw the Glock away like that, no way she'd do that or any of the shooting without idiot adults involved. Sicko is right.

 

[ShooterGranny]

Autumn has been making shooting videos almost forever. She and her daddy are in this years-long project together. She knows more about guns and gun safety than most adults, but my main concern is that she has been shooting pistols that are way too large caliber for her young developing bones and will probably wind up with unrepairable damage at a young age. That is child endangerment!

My opinion, of course.

 

[MadRonin]

Autumn has been making shooting videos almost forever. She and her daddy are in this years-long project together. She knows more about guns and gun safety than most adults, but my main concern is that she has been shooting pistols that are way too large caliber for her young developing bones and will probably wind up with unrepairable damage at a young age. That is child endangerment!

My opinion, of course.

My siblings and I started shooting when we were five. .22's at first but quickly moved up to big guns. No physical damage as a result. I did more damage to my body playing sports than I did shooting 12GA slugs when I was eight.

 

[MadRonin]

This video may've already been posted, but I just now saw it.

Call me an old fuddy-duddy if you will, but being a retired cop/law enforcement firearms instructor, this video scares the crap out of me. I don't know whose daughter this is, but if I was still on the job, I'd arrest her parents. (Child endangerment for starters.)

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(Since this video involved a P-17, that's why I posted this here.)

Autumn's Armory is a well known YouTube channel. Everything is done safely with parental supervision. The video you posted is meant for entertainment, hence the throwing the empty gun away. There is nothing wrong with having fun with guns so long as it's done safely.

 

[Bolander]

She knows more about guns and gun safety than most adults

If that was actually the case, she would know that a firearm is NEVER tossed into the air for any reason. Even if it's for the sake of making a novel Youtube video.

Yes, she is a cute kid. And yes, she's quite an impressive marksman for a 10 year-old. And, I'm all for exposing kids to firearms at a young age, especially when the emphasis is on gun safety. But that kind of display of disregard for handling a firearm safely would be considered totally out of line by any competent and safety-conscious gun owner.

 

[Borderboss]

Autumn's Armory is a well known YouTube channel. Everything is done safely with parental supervision. The video you posted is meant for entertainment, hence the throwing the empty gun away. There is nothing wrong with having fun with guns so long as it's done safely.

Some parents are bad parents, including whoever is this kid's parents. She's too young to know the difference between what's right and what's wrong. She's practicing unsafe gun handling and is being taught that that's ok.

 

[Bolander]

The video you posted is meant for entertainment, hence the throwing the empty gun away. There is nothing wrong with having fun with guns so long as it's done safely.

How do "throwing an empty gun away" and "as long as it's done safely" go together?

And as far as entertainment goes, how many impressionable kids watching this video will attempt her stunt at home or the next time they're out shooting with their parents?

Sorry, but I'm old school and I probably go a bit overboard when it comes to gun safety, especially when it comes to children and firearms.

 

[Bolander]

Some parents are bad parents, including whoever is this kid's parents.
She's practicing unsafe gun handling and is being taught that that's ok.

I wholeheartedly agree. And, the obvious intention of this video was to be novel and/or cute, not to mention racking up more subscribers and "likes" on their Youtube channel. Let's just hope that one of their future productions doesn't end in disaster.

 

[MadRonin]

If that was actually the case, she would know that a firearm is NEVER tossed into the air for any reason. Even if it's for the sake of making a novel Youtube video.

Yes, she is a cute kid. And yes, she's quite an impressive marksman for a 10 year-old. And, I'm all for exposing kids to firearms at a young age, especially when the emphasis is on gun safety. But that kind of display of disregard for handling a firearm safely would be considered totally out of line by any competent and safety-conscious gun owner.

You've never needed to do a NY reload, then.

 

[MadRonin]

Some parents are bad parents, including whoever is this kid's parents. She's too young to know the difference between what's right and what's wrong. She's practicing unsafe gun handling and is being taught that that's ok.

At 10 yrs old, my sister was running and gunning in IPSC. She knew more about gun handling than most adults. She learned that from our father who drilled into us proper gun safety from day one. We've got a seven year old that shoots at our monthly SASS matches. His dad helps him load the .22lr pistols, but he does the rest himself. He knows his range rules and knows the game very well. Don't discount anyone because of their age.

 

[MadRonin]

How do "throwing an empty gun away" and "as long as it's done safely" go together?

And as far as entertainment goes, how many impressionable kids watching this video will attempt her stunt at home or the next time they're out shooting with their parents?

Sorry, but I'm old school and I probably go a bit overboard when it comes to gun safety, especially when it comes to children and firearms.

It was tossed in a safe direction with an empty mag and an open slide. Dropping it on the ground harms no one. It might damage the gun, but it's their property to do with as they please. As mentioned above about the NY Relaod, it's actually advantageous to discard an empty or malfunctioning weapon and switch to one that works. We practice it in multi-gun competitions all the time. Only difference is there's a table or a barrel to toss your gun in/on to.

As far as impressionable kids are concerned, that's on the parents to teach and guide their kids. I watched lots of cowboy and action movies growing up. I even ran around with toy guns playing cops and robbers and cowboys and indians. But I knew what we did when playing was differently than what we did with real guns. Or if we were playing with real guns (simunitions), we still followed the four rules. And I'll point out that nowhere in the four rules does it say "Thou shall not intentionally throw one's gun away."

 

[Borderboss]

At 10 yrs old, my sister was running and gunning in IPSC. She knew more about gun handling than most adults. She learned that from our father who drilled into us proper gun safety from day one. We've got a seven year old that shoots at our monthly SASS matches. His dad helps him load the .22lr pistols, but he does the rest himself. He knows his range rules and knows the game very well. Don't discount anyone because of their age.

If either of you fired two guns at once and then dropped one when it was empty, I bet you would have gotten the wrath of God put on you.

 

[FLT]

This video may've already been posted, but I just now saw it.

Call me an old fuddy-duddy if you will, but being a retired cop/law enforcement firearms instructor, this video scares the crap out of me. I don't know whose daughter this is, but if I was still on the job, I'd arrest her parents. (Child endangerment for starters.)

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(Since this video involved a P-17, that's why I posted this here.)

Thank goodness you are retired, I’m sure some folks were happier about it than you were.

 

[MadRonin]

If either of you fired two guns at once and then dropped one when it was empty, I bet you would have gotten the wrath of God put on you.

I try to take care of my guns, so I don't make it a habit of dropping them. The gun in the video that was thrown was a Glock, so real no hardship there.

But I've shot two guns at the same time quite often. Sometimes just for (safe) fun at the range, other times running gunfighter class in SASS. Once in a while the stage calls for placing guns on the table facing down range instead of holstering. They didn't always end up on the table gently.

 

[MadRonin]

Thank goodness you are retired, I’m sure some folks were happier about it than you were.

C'mon, let's keep this civil.

 

[FLT]

I thought that I was being civil. But no problem here I’m done.

 

[Racer88]

If that was actually the case, she would know that a firearm is NEVER tossed into the air for any reason.

I did it last night... multiple times.... as part of the safety tests for a new P80 build. I drop it multiple times in all six possible orientations towards the floor... from shoulder height. On purpose! Loaded with a mag full of dummy rounds and a dummy round in the chamber. Standard procedure for building a "PMF" (privately made firearm)... or SHOULD be.

This is my 5th build, and admittedly, I still cringe when I do the drop test! But safety first!