[P3ATonmeDAILY]

;D

I wrote about my explosion yesterday in my brand new p3at but I never mentioned the smiley's I was noticing after the mishap.

How do they happen and what is the effect of shooting a bullet with a smiley in it?

Thanks

 

[TxCajun]

http://www.1bad69.com/keltec/smiley.htm

 

[P3ATonmeDAILY]

Have a lot of you done this feed ramp mod? How necessary to you consider this modification?

It looks good but I definitely don't consider myself that handy.

 

[TxCajun]

Assuming you have a 2nd gen gun, I wouldn't give it another thought. The earlier guns were more severe. Ample "research' around here has concluded that P3AT smiles are pretty much a non-issue. The bullets still perform well and there is no history of a resulting problem. I have heard of a few other guns that produce them as well although I can't recall what they are. As a precaution, I would not cycle the same rounds over and over as that could concievably lead to an over-pressured round from bullet setback. In other words, do not take the top (smilied) round out of a mag and put it further down in the mag where it will get "smilied" again. I probably would not hand cycle rounds over and over either. If your mag followers get beat up, call KT service for new ones. Other than that, not a big deal.

 

[riverkeeper]

My 2nd Gen HZE made smilies that looked like the bad ones in the link so I did a ramp job right away .. the marks are still made but very faint.

One of the gun forums tested smilie ammo and suggested there is little if any difference.

I didn't like gun internals wacking each other that hard unnecessarily....over time I suspect it would cause damage to something.

 

[DT_Willy]

Ah, the great smilie debate. Frankly, I'm one who thinks there is little-to-no significant effect of smilies on bullet performance. They occurred primarily in 1G guns. Here is a wetpack test I did a while back that supports my views:

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=104;action=display;num=1116435642

 

[rcmodel]

It is possible the Smiley problem caused your Kaboom with the reloads.

If they didn't have sufficient neck tension on the bullets, it may have driven a bullet back in the case and increased chamber pressure to the point an old weak case let go.

rcmodel