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It is my understanding that the SU-16C model can be shot while the stock is folded. I think this looks like a cool feature, but I wonder if it is any more than just that. Cool.

I haven't been able to find any videos of people shooting it this way. Some of you must have tried it yes? Is is practical in any way for indoor home defense or any other purpose? Is the recoil manageable? What was it like?
 

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I put a sub $100 laser/light combo with a remote switch on my 16c (Truglo). I haven't tried shooting it folded yet, but I suspect at closer (like protecting the inside of your home) ranges, one could use the laser to aim in point and shoot fashion, rather than using sights (like you see folks using sawed off shotguns in the movies. ) Shooting folded is hard to aim otherwise from what I hear. With it folded, you have a pretty short, light, 30 round rifle, ideal for serious self defense against whatever. Unfold it soon after the SHTF when you get time. The rifle offers tremendous flexibility and firepower.
 

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If you want to do this a lot or for serious defense, just get a plr :)
The recoil of a 223 is mild and these guns tame it with their weight. Its not much worse than a lightweight 9mm in terms of "felt recoil".
 

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Shot mine folded a time or two. Recoil is not an issue. It's something of a cool factor that could be useful in tight quarters or short notice if carrying folded.
 

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I'm intrigued by that model of laser/light combo. Where is the switch and how is it activated?
Here are some photos, that are also relevant to a couple other threads, like mounting a light, polymer mags, sling mounting, red dots, gun case/bags, iron sights.

The light is mounted on a 90 degree picatinny mount adapter that sits barely under my Vortex Spitfire 3X scope. There's a remote switch that is attached to the forward handgrip area on the left using gaffers tape (kind of crude, but open to suggestions. working so far.) Pressing that switch turns on both a light and a red laser in the center of the light. The light is mounted on the left to leave the charging handle unobstructed. It can easily be actuated with my left thumb as I grip the rifle in a firing position. The remote switch comes with the unit.

The light/laser by Truglo is definitely ahead of generic Chinese laser/light knockoffs (which are really often only meant for airsoft), but no where near as high quality as your Crimson, Streamlight, Surefire, etc. level of equipment. It does the job but would not stand up to heavy, long term combat use (too flimsy). On the other hand it is very lightweight and uniquely small in that the laser is situated inside the light housing, not below it like so many. This gets your laser closer to the bore axis, which can help with accuracy at a distance. It also keeps down the bulk. The remote switch is set to momentary on or off so as to keep my position hidden when I let go of the switch. The light itself is somewhere between 150 and 200 lumens as I recall, so not the brightest, but OK.

I chose red laser because it was cheaper and generally for indoor/night time use, plus battery efficiency, and I think I bought it off ebay for around $80 shipped. The 90 degree adapter was also off ebay for under $10 I believe. The rear adjustable iron sight was off ebay for around $25 shipped. The mounting pin for the sling was a dollar at Lowes. The one or two point sling was around two for $20, either off Amazon or ebay, forget which. The gun bag was a cheap padded case for under $30 on sale, and everything fits in the bag with the gun folded, and there are four compartments for extra mags. In one photo I included the hearing protection that also slips into the bag ($7 off ebay).

The scope is situated back as far as it will go for eye relief purposes and also so the front flip-up cap clears the iron sight (barely), and the barrel will clear when disassembling. I also have a Holosun 515c which is much lighter and smaller on another gun, which I may switch to this one. The Holosun is very nice, and I got it refurbed off Dvor.com for $160 I think, which was a special at the time. The Vortex Spitfire 3x scope is very cool, with a red or green lighted reticle and etched glass for use if the batteries fail or you don't need the lighted reticle. It's my cheap ACOG, but it is heavy relative to the Holosun (which a micro Aimpoint clone in many ways). This scope here does have accessory picatinny rails on top which could be used for a light i suppose, but it was too far off the bore axis to make a laser useful up there, IMO. Apart from the weight, the Vortex is probably the highest quality accessory I have, for any gun, and cost me with a very good sale around $225 shipped.

I don't plan to use the bipod feature on the gun obviously (since the remote switch is taped up there), and I decided to abandon that due to the bipod changing the point of impact secondary to it not being mounted to a floated rail. I do think about getting a replacement floated rail, but am not too motivated at this point. Would be nice if someone came up with a carbon floated rail to keep the gun super light.

Lastly, note that the mag currently in the gun is a Troy battle mag. That polymer mag does clear the rear folding stock with minimal dremeling. You can see on the forward lower corner of the mag that I have sanded/dremeled of a wee bit off the corner to aid in clearance...not much, and not enough to harm the mag. That said, the Troy mags feel somewhat cheaply made to me, although they do have anti tilt followers. Jury is out on them for me. I think I prefer the D+H metal mags from Palmetto, which can be had for $7/mag plus shipping (sometimes including shipping).

Overall, what a great amount of firepower in that one small gun bag. The bag is heavy when loaded up with ammo to the hilt, though.

PS I haven't really used and cleaned the gun since putting the laser on, so I may need to rethink things if disassembling the gun is problematic with the remote switch wire as it is. Have to see how it goes. The laser was zeroed relative to my scope, which is zeroed to 50 yds.
 

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Honestly...

Shooting while folded does seem super useful to.

I think the best part about it is that the rifle is ready to use immediately. So it can be folded and loaded and ready to go the moment you lay hands on it.

If you plan to do a lot of shooting in a pistol configuration you might consider getting a PLR.

As for putting a scope, laser, light etc. Not really a fan. My goal with my SU-16c is light and simple.

If I want a loaded down rifle that has stuff hanging off of it I would grab an AR.

The main feature for me with the SU-16c is that it is light weight.
 

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I agree that its weight is its main advantage. One way to look at it though, is that being so light, you can afford to put a scope on it and have it weigh the same as a light AR without a scope. Having said that, I am planning on shifting my simple holosun red dot to this rifle. The part that makes me reluctant is that I have to put this heavier Vortex on an already heavy AR, making it less handy to me. The Holosuns, particularly the Holosun HS515c, are quite nice in my opinion, assuming they hold up over the long term.

The laser on mine is in the light, and the light weighs less that the average light sans laser. Most people want a light on their gun, and with this one, you happen to get a laser in it. On the other hand, being such a lightweight, I suspect the light/laser is not exactly combat durable, as I said before. I does make shooting from the hip extremely easy, using the laser and remote switch.

Honestly...


As for putting a scope, laser, light etc. Not really a fan. My goal with my SU-16c is light and simple.

If I want a loaded down rifle that has stuff hanging off of it I would grab an AR.

The main feature for me with the SU-16c is that it is light weight.
 

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The light is mounted on a 90 degree picatinny mount adapter that sits barely under my Vortex Spitfire 3X scope.
I had a setup like this for several years, primarily because it requires no modification to the gun (not even Compact Forend). I used VLTOR scout mount. In the end, I did not like how the flashlight illuminated anything that was in the field of view, in particular the support hand. Eventually I installed the Zhukov forend with Magpul rail. It makes the gun a bit nose-heavy, but it worked much better in darkness.
 
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