[jeanclaudesegal]

Hi Everyone .this is my first post .....My friend and I thought it would be a good idea to combine his NFA Registered Full Auto Lower with my 10.5" .50 Beowulf SBR upper..Here are the results


[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqduhDe8mDo[/ame]

 

[darkwriter77]

That looked ... expensive.

But nifty, nevertheless. Impressive muzzle flash from the .50 shots.

 

[jeanclaudesegal]

That looked ... expensive.

But nifty, nevertheless. Impressive muzzle flash from the .50 shots.

yeah..that was expensive range session but it was worth it..i enjoyed that whole afternoon..thanx for looking at my video

 

[moona11]

I like it and want one. One question I had was is it legal to match them up with two different owners? Its awesome though

 

[darkwriter77]

As I understand it, the lower receiver is the only part that counts, as that's the only serialized part and, thus, is the "firearm" that is NFA registered. Doesn't matter if you swap on an upper that's .22 LR, .50 Beowulf, .50 BMG, 5.56, or whatever, because the lower is still the same. Pretty much the same as if you just changed stocks or pistol grips or whatever, because the upper receiver doesn't count as the "firearm."

 

[PF9Newbie]

As I understand it, the lower receiver is the only part that counts, as that's the only serialized part and, thus, is the "firearm" that is NFA registered. Doesn't matter if you swap on an upper that's .22 LR, .50 Beowulf, .50 BMG, 5.56, or whatever, because the lower is still the same. Pretty much the same as if you just changed stocks or pistol grips or whatever, because the upper receiver doesn't count as the "firearm."

Not entirely true. The upper, although not a firearm by definition, can affect the designation of the firearm. Note that, in this case, the upper has a 10.5 inch barrel. Attaching that upper to a rifle lower (that is, one that has, or has had, a rifle stock), makes the firearm a short barreled rifle (SBR) under the NFA, separate from the designation of full auto firearms. Not sure how the NFA definition of machine gun/full auto would affect this particular combination in view of the fact that many submachine guns are also short barreled to start with and the upper used was already registered as part of an SBR.

Whatever the case here, it was an awesome demo of firepower. Have fired/used many different full auto weapons (Thompson, Grease Gun, M-60, M-2 carbine, BAR, M-16), I have to give full credit to anyone willing to shoulder something like the .50 Beowolf on full auto.

 

[darkwriter77]

I was going under the presumption that one would be exchanging same for same, as far as uppers go. Of course, as you've stated, you can't put a pistol upper on a lower that's already been made into a rifle. You can't go from rifle to pistol or SBR configuration without playing (and paying) the NFA game; once it becomes a "rifle," then that's it, you're stuck with that unless you file and pay. However, you can still swap any RIFLE upper (16"+ barrel and 26"+ overall when assembled) onto any RIFLE lower. Doesn't matter if it's your upper or someone else's - again, you can own one AR lower and several uppers of various calibers. Nothing specifies that the upper receiver must belong to you to be used on your lower receiver, as the upper receiver is not serialized and is basically just a "part" that you can order (completely assembled, or piece by piece, or as a you-assemble-it kit) and have sent right to your door with no FFL ... just like a stock, grip, handguard, muzzle brake, sights, etc. You're fine as long as the NFA lower registered to you still remains yours and doesn't change ownership, and you're not changing its classification from rifle to pistol or SBR - again, as you mentioned, I'm not sure if it being a registered full-auto makes a difference or not as far as barrel lengths.

It doesn't matter if that is your one-and-only AR receiver in the world, and you've got a hundred different complete rifle-length AR uppers of various calibers, colors, barrel lengths (over 16"), and whatnot ... or if you just have that one receiver and you've got twenty buddies with different uppers that they want you to slap on there and try out with it. The "firearm" (the lower receiver, the serialized part) still hasn't changed ownership or definition, as long as it's still a rifle (or SBR or handgun, whatever you registered it as being in your NFA paperwork) and as long as it's still legally owned by you.

Long story short, with the above scenario, all the ATF technically cares about is: 1. who owns the serialized part (the "firearm"), 2. barrel length, and 3. overall length. Well, and you obviously can't loan it to anyone that's legally prohibited from owning or having access to firearms, but that's true regardless of whether it's an NFA item or not.

 

[moona11]

Thank you that's kind of what I thought but was confused if it originally was not an SBR

 

[jeanclaudesegal]

Hey guys..thanx for lookin at my video..glad yall liked it..the 50 beowulf in full auto felt like jackhammer lol..Putting my SBR upper on my friends NFA full Auto lower is perfectly legal because defined by the ATF there is no particular barrel length requirements for a full auto machine gun.Also the owner was present at the time when the video was made with all his paper work intact..Athenas gun range is pretty strict when you bring Class3 weapons to there range especially full auto Machine guns..they like to check your paper work before you shoot because they dont want any illegal guns on there premises..So no laws are broken..Thanx again for looking and im glad you guys enjoyed it..i will try to upload some more NFA stuff here when i get a chance to go back to the range..

 

[PF9Newbie]

Hey guys..thanx for lookin at my video..glad yall liked it..the 50 beowulf in full auto felt like jackhammer lol .................................Thanx again for looking and im glad you guys enjoyed it..i will try to upload some more NFA stuff here when i get a chance to go back to the range..

That recoil reminded me a little bit of when we transitioned to the M-16 back in 1967 before going overseas. After training on the rifle, we did a bit of fire training with the 40mm grenade launcher which attached under the barrel of the M-16. Used in this mode, you brace the butt of the rifle on the ground in firing the grenade. But as usual, there was one larger guy in the course who just had to show everyone how strong he was, wanting to fire the grenade laucher from shoulder. So, with due care, the instructors let him. Knocked him "a.. over teakettle" and gave the rest of us a good laugh to end the days instruction.

Thanks for a fun to watch video.

 

[jeanclaudesegal]

That recoil reminded me a little bit of when we transitioned to the M-16 back in 1967 before going overseas. After training on the rifle, we did a bit of fire training with the 40mm grenade launcher which attached under the barrel of the M-16. Used in this mode, you brace the butt of the rifle on the ground in firing the grenade. But as usual, there was one larger guy in the course who just had to show everyone how strong he was, wanting to fire the grenade laucher from shoulder. So, with due care, the instructors let him. Knocked him "a.. over teakettle" and gave the rest of us a good laugh to end the days instruction.

Thanks for a fun to watch video.

Thanx for looking..i dont think i will be shooting a 40mm launcher anytime soon but it would cross my mind if i ever got the opportunity to shoot one ..thanx for the heads up if i ever get my hands on one..i will know what to expect

 

[beegeezy2]

That recoil reminded me a little bit of when we transitioned to the M-16 back in 1967 before going overseas. After training on the rifle, we did a bit of fire training with the 40mm grenade launcher which attached under the barrel of the M-16. Used in this mode, you brace the butt of the rifle on the ground in firing the grenade. But as usual, there was one larger guy in the course who just had to show everyone how strong he was, wanting to fire the grenade laucher from shoulder. So, with due care, the instructors let him. Knocked him "a.. over teakettle" and gave the rest of us a good laugh to end the days instruction.



Thanks for a fun to watch video.

That's unpossible, I've seen plenty of people fire from the shoulder in movies. And movies never lie.



I'm not saying it was aliens....but it was aliens

 

[PF9Newbie]

That's unpossible, I've seen plenty of people fire from the shoulder in movies. And movies never lie.



I'm not saying it was aliens....but it was aliens

Oh, it can be done, at least if you know what to expect, hold it very firmly and hard into the shoulder, know to let yourself rock back with the recoil, etc. But even then, you were likely to get a good bruise on the shoulder. But the guy I mentioned had never fired one of these, had no idea what he was doing, and did kind of hold the rifle gingerly so that it magnified the kick. Pretty funny we thought, when he plopped backward on his tail, adding another bruise he complained about the rest of the day.

 

[jeanclaudesegal]

maybe one day i will get that opportunity to fire a 40mm grenade launcher..but for now my Vepr12 and 50 beowulf is giving me a good pounding to my shoulder.below is my 10.9" vepr12 sawed off shotgun and my mini draco ak 7.5"

 

[harrygp]

That looked totally uncontrollable with the .50. The full auto M-16 though really looked smooth.

 

[BOERBOELGUY]

Love my WULF can't say I missing her in Full auto though still quite the display of firepower, thanks for sharing. The brake helps but that upper adds considerable weight to the package as well.

 

[PF9Newbie]

Even with that much recoil, still better to be "on the back end" instead on the front end of the deal. Spray and Pray for sure, but the guy out front better be praying pretty hard.

Jim R

 

[QE1983]

Spray and Pray for sure, but the guy out front better be praying pretty hard.

Jim R

Ha - gun control means praying harder than the other guy!

 

[jeanclaudesegal]

Love my WULF can't say I missing her in Full auto though still quite the display of firepower, thanks for sharing. The brake helps but that upper adds considerable weight to the package as well.

Very nice looking wulf..im assuming that you had your magazine laser engraved?

 

[morekeltecs]

JCS that video of the beowul is awesome. what stock is that on the draco? and is that a magwell on there too?if it is , how do you like it?