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Hey guys, just wondering what you all who haves scopes think. I've been using a cheap 2-7x pistol scope...been working well. But realized with the limited recoil, and how I'm only shooting from bench rest with bipod, I wanted to give a higher power riflescope a try. So I ordered a 4-12x scope that should be here tomorrow. Hoping the advertised 3.75" of eye relief will be enough to shoot comfortably. I'll find out soon enough, but just wondering what y'all think and use if you have a similar set up.
 

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For most people, the PLR-16 is a fun range blaster, and it's great at that, but Kel-Tec designed and marketed it as a Pistol Long Range, and it's great at that too. It's fun to shoot from the bench at 100 yards. For that, you'll want a real rifle scope. The 3-12X you described sounds pretty good. The difficulty arises because the pistol doesn't have a butt stock so there is no cheek rest. This makes it difficult to get a consistent image through a high power rifle scope. You can have greater parallax error than you'd have when shooting a rifle. You can probably come up with a few tricks to help with the eye alignment to minimize this source of inaccuracy. Try to have some method that aligns your eye a fixed distance from the scope's objective lens. I've found that it helps to have your eye far enough away that you are just starting to get a dark ring around the outside of the field of view. If you move your eye to the position that makes the dark ring uniform around the outside, your pupil should be well aligned with the center of the scope, but it's still a bit difficult to hold it there while shooting while also aligning the reticle with the target, controlling your breathing, concentrating on a smooth trigger pull, etc.

A lower power scope can also be useful for shooting the PLR-16 as a pistol. In that case, you'll want an extended eye relief (EER) scope, sometimes called a scout scope or a handgun scope. A shoulder sling will help stabilize the PLR-16 pistol for best accuracy when shooting it scoped. The sling is not as good as a butt stock, but it's better than trying to hold this large pistol steady at arm's length without a shoulder sling.
 

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It seems to me like it will be awkward to shoot when using a short relief scope. I have a mid grade 2-7 long relief I think (don't remember the max setting, the low end is 2 for sure). The gun is challenging to bench rest, all around, and trying to scrunch up to it at a bench to use that scope .... well, let us know how that goes. Its doable, for sure, but is it comfortable and good for the concentration and control needed for high accuracy shooting? The only way to know is to try it.
 

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A bench rest PLR-16 is a bit awkward but it can definitely be made to work. Hat tip to M2_carbine for this three shot group at 97 yards with his PLR-16 hand loads, many years ago.

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Liberty, you were spot on with your earlier post. I got out to shoot yesterday with my new scope. It works well, but the most difficult part is maintaining a consistent eye position...especially at that 12x zoom. I did try your technique with backing up till the dark ring appears on the outside. That worked ok, I'm sure I'll get better at it. For some reason at 50 yards I was spot on...like a one inch group with 5 shots. But then I moved back to 100yards and it wasn't that great. Maybe 6 inch group with 5 shots. And I did adjust the parallax properly on the scope. I'm not the greatest shooter, but hoped with a one inch group at 50 I'd be better at 100. Well, more practice to come, is fun! Still absolutely no jams, misfires, or malfunctions ever with this gun! About 400 rounds through her so far.
 

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I hadn't really thought about it but you all have me wanting to try a scope on my PLR.
I have a TruGlo scope just sitting on the bench so why not!
 

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Yeah, give that scope a try. Assuming you will be bench resting it somehow? I use a bipod, not sure how everyone else is resting it. Has a short front end, may be tricky to use a sandbag.
 

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I'm having a heck of a time figuring out what scope to put on my PLR-16, as stated above, having a scope to take advantage of the .223 round, puts you into rifle scopes. That have an eye relief in the area of 3 to 5 inches, which is difficult to master in any way shape or form on the PLR series. Running a Burris AR-536 Prism on it now, and find it way to difficult to hold and aim at arms length.
Please suggest what you guys are running that have experience with this firearm, please. I'm thinking of putting on the Site Mark red dot on the PLR, and putting the way over scoped Burris on the CMR, I dunno.
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Gearheadesw , the PLR16 with a strap can be held at arms length very easily and steadily. Near rifle stability. Pushing forward with my cheek resting on the strap and my left hand in front of the magazine well.
 

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Gearheadesw , the PLR16 with a strap can be held at arms length very easily and steadily. Near rifle stability. Pushing forward with my cheek resting on the strap and my left hand in front of the magazine well.

Well, I put an AR stock on it I had laying around. I find it much easier to acquire sight picture with it at my shoulder. For buzzing around down range rapid fire, it's great. Sorry, no pics.
 

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Ive got a long eye pistol scope on mine. Bench rested, I found that using the factory 10 rd mag works better, anything sitting below the grip made it hard to rest. The scope is difficult to work with when not bench rested if zoomed in but my scope adjusts down to a very low power (I forget how far down) an that is workable, its not much different from a red dot at that point. All in all I would rather have had a red dot on it but I don't shoot it enough to change it out. I really like it but we shoot indoors more than out and its too loud inside.
 

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I like using the quick connect sight mounts on both my Plr and Cmr to switch from scope to red dot although I have to have one of each for both firearms to maintain zero.
My plr 16 is fully dressed. What red dot do you recommend? I bought one but cheap and lowest setting at 25yds is 4" high but good at 100yds. 50 yrs about 3" high. Want a red dot for 25 to 50 yrs zero not to break bank lol ty
 

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Check eBay @Smoothron, if it's made, they sell it on Ebay. A lot of good deals, just check the sealer out, make sure they have been doing it a while, and have good feedback.
There's a lot of people that get rid of near perfect used items, bought my Tijjicom for 2/3 price for a new unit.
 

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I gave up a long time ago on any kind of optic on my PLR, and simply went with a green laser. It works perfectly with how I normally shoot that particular gun, which is at the hip using the sling.
 
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