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This is what "Bill" replied back,"

"That's not true, they are good for 5000-6000 rds."


Which was in response to me saying this, since I could not find a place to actually order the springs on the website:

"How can I order new recoil springs for my P3AT? I recently passed 2000 rounds thru my 2nd gen. P3AT and have been advised that the recoil springs are long overdue for replacement."

What say you all? :-/
 

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Re: Requested new recoil springs from Kel-Tec, and

Did you ask for them for free or were you buying them?
 

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Re: Requested new recoil springs from Kel-Tec, and

I have heard of some people with that many rounds who have never changed recoil springs but I wouldn't go that long. Just call KT service (not parts) and tell them you need a new set of recoil springs. You don't need to volunteer information or ask for opinions. ;)
 

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Re: Requested new recoil springs from Kel-Tec, and

TxCajun said:
I have heard of some people with that many rounds who have never changed recoil springs but I wouldn't go that long. Just call KT service (not parts) and tell them you need a new set of recoil springs. You don't need to volunteer information or ask for opinions. ;)
10-4. Wilco. ;)
 

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Re: Requested new recoil springs from Kel-Tec, and

Just got my springs and guide rod from Bill. It took about 4 days. Mentioned to him that I had a slightly deformed guide rod and he asked no further questions.
 

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Dreadnought said:
[quote author=JFB link=1203133167/0#1 date=1203139103]Did you ask for them for free or were you buying them?
I was purposefully vague. The above is exactly what I asked them (via their website contact form).[/quote]
Purposely vague? You told them exactly how many rounds you had on the springs and said you heard they were long overdue for replacement. ;) :)

Wolff recommends 3000-5000 rounds pending inspecition, some people say 2000, some say 1000 if you don't shoot it very often. [highlight]See post from 2PP below.[/highlight]

I lean toward 3000 as long as things are still working but this is my first dual spring gun so we'll see how it goes.
http://www.gunsprings.com/1ndex.html
Wolff Gunsprings said:
4. How often should I change my springs?

Wolff Gunsprings are made with the highest grade materials and workmanship. Most Wolff [recoil] springs will remain stable for many thousands of rounds. The performance of your gun is the best indicator of when a spring needs to be replaced. Factors such as increasing ejection distance, improper ejection and/or breaching, lighter hammer indents on primers, misfires, poor cartridge feeding from magazines, frequent jams, stove pipes and other malfunctions are all possible indications of fatigued springs or improper springs. Springs that are subject to higher stress applications such as magazine springs, striker springs and recoil springs will require more frequent replacement than other less stressed springs. Most Wolff recoil springs should be capable of 3000-5000 rounds minimum before changing is required. [highlight]Some recoil springs in compact pistols[/highlight], especially where dual springs are replaced by a single spring [highlight]may require changing after 750 - 1500 rounds[/highlight]. Changes in your firearm's performance are one of the best indicators that a change is needed.
 

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Re: Requested new recoil springs from Kel-Tec, and

This from Toby, a KT gunsmith:

ktwm said:
At a 1,000rnds You should replace the recoil springs. (at 500rnds if you shoot +P). These springs are the first to go and if you keep shooting when the springs are toast you will be hammering the frame even harder.

Barrel slide and frame should easilly go to 6K if you keep up on the scheduled maintenance (Kind of like oil-changes with a new car).
Packer.
 

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not too sure if toby is a KT gunsmith though, 2PP. I know he is an employee, but has he ever fessed up to being a 'smith?

we would not want to impart false information
 

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  Hi rj!  I assume he is a gunsmith since he repaired one of my PF9s and contacted me about keeping my custom grip. He also admitted to test firing it AFTER the repair. I'm pretty sure that only smiths repair guns at KT. But if not a smith, then he must be an engineer. I think he developed the PLR-22.

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Hmm, an engineer?  I thought he just did PR and fun stuff like the Shot Show, making videos with George, hanging out on KTOG and attending KTOG local shoots.  You mean he has a real job too?  :D
 

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doubloon said:
[quote author=Dreadnought link=1203133167/0#3 date=1203178396][quote author=JFB link=1203133167/0#1 date=1203139103]Did you ask for them for free or were you buying them?
I was purposefully vague. The above is exactly what I asked them (via their website contact form).[/quote]
Purposely vague? You told them exactly how many rounds you had on the springs and said you heard they were long overdue for replacement. ;) :)[/quote]

Please re-read the very portion of my words that you chose to chide unnecessarily. The question was whether or not I asked for them for free or whether I said I wanted to buy them. On that one point, and only that point, the point for which I supplied the answer to, I was vague. Vague means that I was ambiguous, did not offer one way or the other, did not suggest one way or the other, did not state a preference, did not reveal my intentions, etc.

And I did not tell them "exactly" how many rounds I have shot. I gave them an estimate. This is a small point I am making here, but the point is "words mean things" and we should choose them with that understanding in mind, especially when supposedly quoting others' words. Furthermore, I did not tell them that I had "heard" that I needed new springs, I told them I had been "advised", which implies that someone whom I believed credible had made the suggestion, not just some know-nothing on a forum talking parakeets where I incidentally brought up Kel-Tec pocket pistols and said parakeet-poster told me I needed new springs. Your "version" of my email to Kel-Tec gives my words a distinctly elementary odor that the actual wording did not possess. And that is not proper, entertaining nor is it what I have come to expect on this forum.

I appreciate any and all suggestions. However, school-yard semantic analysis and silly comments taking others' words out of context is not necessary or appreciated. I do not choose my words randomly nor do I write a post and submit it as quickly as I have finished typing it. I do check it for errors and contextual mistakes.

;) :) And do notice how the smilies and winks at the end do not seem to take the edge off of a sharp reply. Such "conveniences" are no replacement for common kindness and general good manners.
 

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Two Pistol Packer said:
This from Toby, a KT gunsmith:

[quote author=ktwm link=1192398516/0#8 date=1192488237]At a 1,000rnds You should replace the recoil springs. (at 500rnds if you shoot +P). These springs are the first to go and if you keep shooting when the springs are toast you will be hammering the frame even harder.

Barrel slide and frame should easilly go to 6K if you keep up on the scheduled maintenance (Kind of like oil-changes with a new car).
Packer.[/quote]

I wonder why the discrepancy between this admonition and what Bill told me in his email reply?
 

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Re: Requested new recoil springs from Kel-Tec, and

It is subjective. It depends on ammo, maintenance, etc. I have heard the 2000 round figure myself. I have also heard 1000 rounds. I have heard of folks who have never changed them in several thousand rounds, and then there is Wilson, who changes them like socks. :)
 

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Dreadnought said:
Please re-read the very portion of my words that you chose to chide unnecessarily.
Didn't mean to touch a button there, apologies for offending you.

However, I was keying in on the specific response you quoted from KT which was all about how many rounds the springs were good for and nothing about whether you should pay for them or not or even ba able to order them. The idea that you could not get the springs had not even crossed my mind, it seemed to me, as it obviously seemed to Bill, that you had a question about the longevity of the springs. Depending on how you read the FAQ from Wolff there are two answers but KTWM has spoken and said 1000.

Anyway, it was vague to me exactly which part of your question to KT was vague and I guess I should now assume you were "advised" by some other means than verbal.

Take care, good luck with your springs.

This is what "Bill" replied back,"

"That's not true, they are good for 5000-6000 rds."

Which was in response to me saying this, since I could not find a place to actually order the springs on the website:

"How can I order new recoil springs for my P3AT? I recently passed 2000 rounds thru my 2nd gen. P3AT and have been advised that the recoil springs are long overdue for replacement."
 

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Dreadnought said:
Please re-read the very portion of my words that you chose to chide unnecessarily.  ...
 
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