There's more to this story than is being told

But, I've been happy with the Magpul Backup Iron Sights (MBUS), on both the KSG and my ARs

That said, the KSG is a shotgun, which traditionally don't have sights. I would love to have a rail on top that's few inches taller than what's there right now.

 

Nope, the story is just that. I was shooting way high with this thing and range guy was probably worried I was going to take out the target trolley. With a normal cheek weld and sighting down the picatinney and aiming at the very bottom corner, I was still hitting high and on the other side of the bullseye. Weird.

I have three Saigas of various caliber and have never had any issues with them shooting where I aim. This little bullpup is going to take getting used to. Picked up a boresight laser and confirmed the "off" aiming I had.

I bought some normal AR style flip up BUIS, but they seem to witness high compared to the boresight.

I ended up getting this cheapo holo and it seems pretty good, esp. the price! Two colors, wide range of brightness and several different reticle styles. If it holds up to shotgun abuse, BARGAIN! Was able to zero it in with the boresight at 15-yds or so. Now to the range again for testing.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HPWATOC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

I have the Magpul Flip Up BUIS on mine as well as a EoTech I had on the shelf....strange to find a spare Eotech NIB on the shelf the same day they called me to tell me it was in.

After all I ordered it 4 years earlier and even forgot I had.



Karsten

 

I have Magpul flip up sights on the upper rail BUT, on the lower rail, mounted just in front of the stubby Magpul VFG is a Crimson Trace CMR-201 pistol laser. I can active it with the pointer finger on my left hand. At the range, put the dot on a spot on the target, pull the trigger, and a hole instantly appears. Easy as that. And, I still have the flip up Magpul sights as a back up!

 

So.... with no more of the story, just that... was you shootin' slugs, buckshot, or shootin' shot?

 

To whom are you asking this question? If it is me, then "a hole instantly appears" would indicate slugs! If not me, please ignore.

 

I can understand their displeasure then

 

Yeah, the ranges I go to require you to use slugs! I can understand that from a certain distance out but you'd think they'd allow buckshot say, up to 15 feet out! But then, they don't always have seasoned, sane shooters that they deal with everyday! Maybe it's a "qualifier"......if an unknown shooter is not smart enough to keep up with the rules, it gives them a chance to eff with those who aren't firing on all eight cylinders mentally!! LOL!!

 

Yeah, the ranges I go to require you to use slugs! I can understand that from a certain distance out but you'd think they'd allow buckshot say, up to 15 feet out!

Yah, buckshot just hits the paper target and falls to the ground at 15 feet.... doesn't go beyond that.

 

Like most people I assume, I have come to learn that when it comes to optics, you get what you pay for. The vast majority of optics on Amazon really aren't sturdy enough to hold up to any recoil. My rule of thumb is that if it's less than $60, it's probably intended for airsoft. I've bought a few red dots and one 4x ACOG-wannabe, and all of them have failed to hold a zero after two or three range trips. If you're dead set on a RDS, I would highly recommend the Northtac Ronin. Best place to find it is on Amazon and it's only about $80. Best value for the money in my opinion. It's just as sturdy and has all the same features as a Sig Romeo 5, which would usually go for $120+. It has the same shake-awake feature which is nice- if this is the first thing you're grabbing when you hear a window crash in the middle of the night, you don't want to be fumbling to switch the optic on. I keep it on my RDB, pics attached.

I also recommend the See All Open Sight. Requires no batteries, has literally zero parallax effect (no reflex/RDS is truly parallax free), it's ready to go at all times, and while I haven't tested mine out for durability, the videos on youtube suggest this thing is as indestructible as it advertises. Pics attached. I got the non-tritium version because it was only $70 as opposed to $200 (also on Amazon), and I have a tiny tritium vial coming in the mail. Hopefully I can attach the vial somehow to the green fiber optic as I have heard of one or two people doing online.

 

Like most people I assume, I have come to learn that when it comes to optics,

You cut the hera grip. I had not seen that yet. Interesting.

 

Non battery optics are the best and most reliable.

I have a place in my heart for seeall open sights. As shown on mine and many others KSG's

I recently went to a swiss brand called easyhit px-s1000
Www.easyhit.com

I also in the last year gotten into green lasers after doing training with SF as sholes who kick in heads. (Supposedly fighting for freedom)

It all depends on what you are planning on doing with your KSG.

 

Non battery optics are the best and most reliable.

I have a place in my heart for seeall open sights. As shown on mine and many others KSG's

I recently went to a swiss brand called easyhit px-s1000
Www.easyhit.com

I also in the last year gotten into green lasers after doing training with SF as sholes who kick in heads. (Supposedly fighting for freedom)

It all depends on what you are planning on doing with your KSG.

That Easy Hit thing looks freaking awesome. All their videos have these on shotguns; I assume it's because Europeans don't have a market for privately owned rifles. Are there any reasons why this wouldn't work on a rifle? Like the SeeAll, it appears to display the reticle precisely where the barrel is pointing, rather than how a red dot just displays a light that you still have to line up (or better yet, cowitness).

 

Upon reflection...
My handy Charter Arms Boomer (sightless, DAO, .44 Special) tends to "shoot high" when sighting over the top. On a full size silhouette target, it was quickly observed that shooting for the gonads would result in a mid torso hit every time. That's at 25 feet. So, I just remember to "aim low" when I take it out to the range.

 

I have been using a TSR-25. It works but I would prefer something that is shake and wake or used no battery. The Easyhit looks very interesting. Not having to worry about batteries or electronics is nice, but how bright is it indoors and do you need a riser?

 

GB has yet to comment if that thing is usable in low light or if it is subject to washout.

 

I've been using an old Tasco PDP-4 for years on my combat shotguns, and it's working great on the KSG. It's a 40mm tube with a 10-minute dot, so it's great for stationary targets and for aerials. They don't make it anymore, but they do make something similar. I would recommend Tasco.

 

Does anyone have any insight on how the easyhit PS-1000X or PS-2000X would perform in the dark for home defense purposes?

 

If you're asking about the Champion Easyhit fiber optic rod sight, like all fiber optics it needs light to allow it to "glow".
Fiber optics work by collecting light and seeming to glow.
The more light the brighter they appear.

These work better then plain iron sights in lower light, but in little to no light they just don't work since the light is too dim.
The Kel-Tec KS7 shotguns come with a green fiber optic rod front sight, but it only seems to work well in the presence of enough light.
In the dark or very low light it just doesn't work.

Fiber optic sights are at their best in bright light, especially sun light. They just don't work well in lower light situations.
The less light the less visible they are.

 

Thanks for the info!

 

There's a LOT of discussion about various sights, flashlights, and lasers for the KSG and KS7 shotguns on the KSG and KS7 forums.
I'd recommend doing some reading of past posts on those to learn what works and what doesn't.

You don't necessarily have to spend $500 for an Aimpoint or Eotech sight, but you're probably better off to buy the best sight you can manage to afford if you're going to be trusting your life to it.
There's a good bit of discussion about lights and lasers too, and those are often cheaper then a sight system.

 

I have an Easyhit as well and I love it. It makes acquiring targets very easy as you have a huge field of view and no issues with eye relief. I will say that it did start to shake, rattle and roll after 500-odd rounds in a couple of classes. Mine's at the muzzle end and I wonder if it would be less stress on the sight if I moved if further back to a more traditional position? Thoughts?
I had to take it apart to tighten everything, this time with locktite blue, and I haven't had a chance to re-zero it since then. It was adjusted before so I could hit a four-inch plate at 7 yards with Flite control 8-pellet rounds and keep every pellet on the plate. The biggest problem with it is that it's not very adjustable and uses set screws which I'm not fond of.

If you put a light on your shotgun the sight lights up just fine. I use a Streamlight TL-7A on my bottom rail where I can use a knuckle to activate it.