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Yes, FTF through a FFL dealer with the regular restrictions of a "regular" (socialist) purchase.
You can't buy it from a dealer, only through a dealer from another party.
Basically only LE can import them into the state or pruchase used "from" a dealer.
The P3AT, as well as many others, don't make the "list" for being available for sale.
Very sad, but it's the state we live in.
 

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JB-Norcal said:
Yes, FTF through a FFL dealer with the regular restrictions of a "regular" (socialist) purchase.
You can't buy it from a dealer, only through a dealer from another party.
Basically only LE can import them into the state or pruchase used "from" a dealer.
The P3AT, as well as many others, don't make the "list" for being available for sale.
Very sad, but it's the state we live in.
:eek:

So, let me see if I understand this correctly? It's not a simple matter of can or cannot have or can or cannot buy ... there are loopholes?

If a private citizen bought a KelTec in CA before they were taken off the roster then that citizen can keep his KT?

If that citizen decided to sell his "pre-ban" KT to another citizen he can do so through an FFL dealer? But not FTF without a dealer?

OR

An LEO can buy one today through a dealer, in spite of the "ban" and then turn around and sell it through an FFL to a private citizen?

EH? I MUST be understanding something wrong.
 

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Doubloon, you've got it. NO FTF sales in the PRCA. Period. ALL sales of everything must go through a dealer.

Guns not on the list can NOT be brought into the state, by a serf. Period. If you're a "special citizen" you can have a dealer bring anything in, basically.

Dealers can only sell what's on the approved list to the serfs. But a dealer can do a "FTF" for two serfs, list notwithstanding.

What a F'd up state.
 

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Doubloon, you've got it. NO FTF sales in the PRCA. Period. ALL sales of everything must go through a dealer.

Guns not on the list can NOT be brought into the state, by a serf. Period. If you're a "special citizen" you can have a dealer bring anything in, basically.

Dealers can only sell what's on the approved list to the serfs. But a dealer can do a "FTF" for two serfs, list notwithstanding.

What a F'd up state.
OMFG!

So, theoretically, they created a system where it is possible to legally purchase banned weapons through an LEO...

Well crap, I guess selling AKs out of the garage beats the hell out of walking the mall parking lot as a rent-a-cop to make after hours money.
 

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Oh, it gets better.  The CADOJ defines its list of "approved" firearms as the ones that are "safe" to own.  By logical extension, those not on the list are UNsafe.  Yet LE in CA can buy anything off list if they want.  IOW, it is OK for cops in the PRK to carry unsafe weapons, just not anyone else.  :eek:

Two ways to get a P-3AT in CA.

-Buy one from someone who bought one in another state, relocated to CA and registered it, then sells it to you using a Face-to-Dealer-to-Face transfer.  
-Buy one from a LEO (as per above) who doesn't want it anymore, or wants to do you a HUGE favor.  

Best of luck - I would budget about $600-$800 for the transaction - seriously.  P-11s, P-40s, and P-32s are sometimes found in shops used for reasonable prices ($225, etc).  These were bought in the People's Republik before the 2000 law took hold.  If you see one, buy it.  Many have figured out they can get $550-$600 for a beat-up 1G P-32 by now though, so the search could be a long one.
 

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If anyone is planning on moving to this wonderful state in the next year or so...
JB - would that even work? I thought newbies into that state now couldn't bring in non-listed guns?

-Scott
 

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From the CA DOJ -

"Any person who moves into California and who brings any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person is considered to be a "Personal Handgun Importer" and is required to do one of the following within 60 days:

Complete and submit a NEW RESIDENT HANDGUN OWNERSHIP REPORT form along with $19.00 to the Department of Justice. A separate report form and $19.00 fee is required for each handgun reported. NEW RESIDENT HANDGUN OWNERSHIP REPORT forms can be obtained from California Department of Motor Vehicles' offices, licensed firearms dealers, local police and sheriff's departments, the California Department of Justice Bureau of Firearms at (916) 263-4887, and from the Online Forms Page at this site.

Sell or transfer the handgun(s) to a California licensed firearms dealer or to another individual using a California licensed firearms dealer to conduct the transaction.
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Sell or transfer the handgun(s) to a California police or sheriff's department. Persons choosing this option should contact the law enforcement agency for instructions prior to transporting the handgun(s) to the agency"

As I read it, it seems that just a $19.00 report (registration I would call it) is required.

I'm sure there are criteria that would classify one as a commercial importer, but one or two "not on the list" pistols might be alright. I'd have to do more reserch to see what is allowed

Note - I AM NOT ADVOCATING IMPORTING FIREARMS INTO CALIFORNIA FOR THE PURPOSE OF RESALE, just trying to understand the legislative restrictions on firearm purchases in the Golden State.
EDIT- I just read the form required, it doesn't seem to restrict the number of firearms, it just gets you into their system as if you were a new purchaser being a existing resident. This is only for handguns. All other "Ass-ault" issues remain restricted (hi-cap mags, etc.)
 

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adamsesq said:
[quote author=JB-Norcal link=1229353111/0#7 date=1229443750]If anyone is planning on moving to this wonderful state in the next year or so...
JB - would that even work?  I thought newbies into that state now couldn't bring in non-listed guns?

-Scott[/quote]
Do you have a definition for "resident"? Does renting an apartment count? ::)
 

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The last purchase I made required a state ID, and proof of residency which was a utility bill from one year prior to sale date with my name, physical address, thumbprint, background check, drop of blood, and first born. Just kidding on the last two, for now.  :'(
I think the reason to legislate so complex, it to deter people from joining the ranks of gun ownership; thus, control.
 

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But how long to I have to be a "resident" to sell? ::)

Maybe I "just moved" to CA with a bunch of guns and decide I want to sell them and give the money to all my new Hari Krishna buddies... ;)
 

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Doubloon....Seriously. You don't want to go there.

Moving to CA, you would then no longer be a resident of wherever you are now. You can NOT have more than one address. You would then be subject to all of the asinine restrictions placed upon you by the PRCA.

Also, in all seriousness, you may want to delete those posts. Interstate commerce brings you under the jurisdiction of fedgov. At least edit them, for your own sake.


Sorry, but having in laws living imprisoned there, plus dealing with living next to the state... I'm paranoid about it.


On a side note, how many of you knew there are CHECKPOINTS on the highway before you enter the PRCA?

::)
 

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I don't think showing up with a whole bunch of off-list pistols and selling them is going to fly. Lets say you bought 100 KTs for $250/each, moved there, then sold them for $750 + $19 transfer fee. Nice $50,000 in profit! For that kind of money, someone will notice, and then you will have a new home in lovely Pelican Bay - expenses paid.
 

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Very, very similar restriction in the Kennedy/Kerry's home state.....Masshole-ville!

I think the only real difference is that you don't have to declare any firearms that you previously owned. Plus we have 2 lists instead of 1 (approved weapons roster and the consumer product safety regulations). The gun must be on both lists in order to be sold by a dealer. Sometimes a gun makes it on one list and then not the other....making it illegal.

You can buy and sell anything between private citizens.....here's a fun example:

Let's say that I have a handgun that I want to sell. Now I bought and owned this gun when I was resident of another state. I brought it here and am legally allowed to own it and am not required to register it in the state. I can sell it to any private citizen who has the appropriate permit but if I do, that transaction must be registered. Now I cannot trade it/sell it to a dealer because they are not allowed to sell it in their shop because it isn't on the lists I mentioned above. Pretty F'ed up, huh?

Welcome to the new gun control fellas......they figured out that they can't ban your guns outright but they make it virtually impossible to buy or own one.

If you guys really want to cry (or laugh), check out this link that I included from one of the better gun shops in the area on "guns you can't buy in MA"

http://fsguns.com/fsg_information.html

:'(
 

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So you can move in and sell it to someone else but you can't keep it?  THAT is assinine!

-Scott
You can keep it but you have to pay the $19 per weapon and register it. But you are right about the asinine thing anyway.
 

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Ok I am a ret ca Cop, and i want to give this gun to another Ca cop, ill just take it to him next trip.....these laws are fu..ed...
 
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