[pbnationrc]

Even the original Tavor is more money than the RDB. I feel the RDB is superior because of the cases ejecting downward and it being a lighter gun.

Do most people feel the Tavor series better then the RDB? Maybe because the Tavor is battle tested? Just curious.

BTW, I was looking at gunbroker. RDB seem to be around $1200. Original Tavors around $1500-1600 and X95 around $1700-1800.

 

[texcl2]

When my dealer gets them ( which is rare) he sells them for around $1000, much cheaper than the tavor. The new LEO price is $850 from what i hear, thats a killer deal if its true. Cant wait to get mine.

Update.... my lgs called me today and said one came in and he was holding it for me, $1000 otd, so much cheaper than the tavor.

 

[rj69]

True - I did pay more for my Tavor.... but it works. My RDB has given me headaches and wasted ammo. I'm not sure I'm a fan of downward ejecting hot brass when shooting at a table and bouncing onto my arm. Trigger is sub par compared to the RFB. Safety selector over rotation from Fire position. Crappy muzzle brake and no factory sights. So far my Tavor wins hands down. Unfortunately I bought mine on Gunbroker and way over paid so the fact I have ongoing FTE problems is twice as frustrating.

 

[Junkie]

I wish California didn't make it such a PITA to buy fun guns, I'd be all over an RDB for $1200.

 

[rj69]

I wish California didn't make it such a PITA to buy fun guns, I'd be all over an RDB for $1200.

I hear you - being from California myself and how gun phobic Feinstein and Brown are. Luckily I moved to Arizona so don't have to deal with that nonsense any longer. I'm sure the RDB would work there if someone made a bullet button mag release modification but sadly there isn't a huge aftermarket support base for KelTec. Is there any maglock option for the Tavor? Maybe that would work as the Tavor and RDB mag release is very similar.

Looking at KelTec's RDB C (California compliant) is downright hideous. I'm not sure why they just didn't do a bullet button option like the Tavor.

 

[Lefty2Guns]

I'm not sure why they just didn't do a bullet button option like the Tavor.

I'm pretty sure California just banned the bullet button as well this legislative session. Goes in effect 2017 or something?

Don't quote me, but yeah, the inventor of the bullet button already had a replacement work around lined up for when the law was passed/signed. Instead of needing a tool to trip the mag release it has an arm attached to the mag release that uses the AR upper as a block of sorts. Mag release only works if you pull rear takedown pin (he had it setup with a quick pull pin) and tilt the upper out a bit. Pretty hilarious.

While ugly, the RDB C makes more sense long term.

 

[Liberty4Ever]

Looking at KelTec's RDB C (California compliant) is downright hideous.

While ugly, the RDB C makes more sense long term.

I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I love the looks of the RDB-C. Kudos to Kel-Tec. I guess I like the swoopy space gun look. It looks very modern to me. I like the arcs and lines. Very organic. I've also heard that it's comfortable. I like the pistol grip on the RDB from a functional perspective, but the only thing that put me off the RDB-C is that it's designed to accommodate California gun banning politicians. I hate that. Even though I like the looks, I'd feel like a grownup who is forced to use little round nosed kindergarten safety scissors.

I also don't have any complaints about the RDB trigger. Quite the contrary. It's WAY better than the Tavor trigger. It's better than standard AR-15 triggers. Pretty much, you'd need to spend $150+ on an aftermarket trigger for a rifle in this class to do any better than the RDB trigger. I see it as fairly comparable to the excellent RFB trigger, and there's almost certainly some fluffing and buffing that can make the excellent RDB trigger even better.

 

[ole442]

Ooops! Double post!

 

[ole442]

I love my Tavor. Runs great in .556 and 9mm! You can't beat Israeli weapons!!

Pretty soon the whole country will be California IMO!

 

[Junkie]

One issue is there isn't a bullet button for one yet, and I really need to get one before the end of the year so I can register it as an AW next year. I need to find an FFL willing to modify it before shipping it to my FFL, which adds a bunch to the cost...

 

[Liberty4Ever]

I need to find an FFL willing to modify it before shipping it to my FFL, which adds a bunch to the cost.

Given the guns I bought in the past few months, I think it'd be cheaper for me to move out of state.

I need to cut back. I'll swear off buying more guns I don't need, but then Kel-Tec will make a liar out of me at SHOT Show in a few months.

 

[Junkie]

Over the past few months essentially all my disposable income has gone into guns (and some has come out of savings as well). I figure I should buy them while I still can...

 

[Liberty4Ever]

Maybe KTOG should create a sub-forum for members from California, New York, Massachusetts, etc. We're all feeling the bite, on the national level, but you guys seem to be particularly... infringed.

In a moment of weakness, I almost bought a Tavor while waiting for the RDB. No doubt they both have their pros and cons. I keep hearing, "Yeah, but the Tavor is battle tested." At first blush, this sounds lame to me, but upon reflection there is definitely some value in that, or something like that. New guns, like first model years of cars or trucks, have their teething issues. That definitely figured into my calculation to be an early RDB adopter, but ultimately that decision was based more on lust than logic.

 

[rj69]

I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I love the looks of the RDB-C. Kudos to Kel-Tec. I guess I like the swoopy space gun look. It looks very modern to me. I like the arcs and lines. Very organic. I've also heard that it's comfortable. I like the pistol grip on the RDB from a functional perspective, but the only thing that put me off the RDB-C is that it's designed to accommodate California gun banning politicians. I hate that. Even though I like the looks, I'd feel like a grownup who is forced to use little round nosed kindergarten safety scissors.

I also don't have any complaints about the RDB trigger. Quite the contrary. It's WAY better than the Tavor trigger. It's better than standard AR-15 triggers. Pretty much, you'd need to spend $150+ on an aftermarket trigger for a rifle in this class to do any better than the RDB trigger. I see it as fairly comparable to the excellent RFB trigger, and there's almost certainly some fluffing and buffing that can make the excellent RDB trigger even better.

Design? It's an RDB with the pistol grip hacked off and longer barrel no? I've only seen pictures...

Much to the contrary - the RDB trigger is nowhere near the RFB. Didn't compare it to the Tavor trigger did I?

 

[rj69]

And again - it comes down to reliability for me. You can have a cool looking one all day but if it doesn't work for it's intended purpose then it's a flop from my perspective. I had a Kriss Vector and thought it was amazing futuristic - but got sick of the failures. There's no doubt the RDB is sexy but with the problems I'm seeing I'm not a fanboy of it. Once the kinks are worked out I'll re-think my position but have never once had a problem with my Tavors performance; let alone working. Cost-wise my RDB was close to the Tavor so that's a deficit from the start in my case. Perhaps with the competition from the RDB, the Tavor price will come down to a more competitive level - that would be a plus.

 

[ole442]

One issue is there isn't a bullet button for one yet, and I really need to get one before the end of the year so I can register it as an AW next year. I need to find an FFL willing to modify it before shipping it to my FFL, which adds a bunch to the cost...

I thought IWI sold California compliant Tavors on their website already??

 

[Junkie]

ole442 I'm referring to the RDB rather than the Tavor

 

[850sub]

I checked out the "Funky" RDB at the factory.
I hated the way it felt.

 

[Liberty4Ever]

I checked out the "Funky" RDB at the factory. I hated the way it felt.

Now I don't feel so bad.

 

[Junkie]

Is there an ETA on the RDB-C? If it's vaporware I don't want to count on it, but if I can get it next year I'll spend the money on other things this year.

Otherwise, any suggestions on finding an FFL willing to install some parts I send them, and then send the gun to my FFL, without charging a couple hundred bucks + full retail?