P3at Trigger Job?

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eric55

Discussion Starter · Sep 22, 2009

is there a Mod that can be done to lighten the p3at's pull and still be safe i'd like it to be 3 1/2 - 4ibs i tried serching on the site a little but didnt find anything if there is another post on it please direct me to it
thanks much

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GoldenLoki

· #2 · Sep 22, 2009

Nope.

The best you can do without effecting reliability is smooth it up some.

GL

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billjohnso20

· #3 · Sep 22, 2009

I believe TwoPistolPacker had a mod that used a paper clip to lighten the trigger pull on the PF-9 but it could have been for the P3AT. However, I can't locate it. I'm sure one of the mods can though.

I personally would not use it or any other mod to lighten the trigger on either gun since the long heavy trigger pull acts as the guns safety. I don't know how much you've shot your gun but after a 100 rounds or so, you start getting used to the trigger pull. It doesn't bother me any more. With enough practice, even using snap caps, you're body will develop a muscle memory that any time you pick up your P3AT you'll instinctively know what you need to do to shoot it well and accurately. You have to put in enough practice though.

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Bobo

· #4 · Sep 22, 2009

A 3.5 to 4 pound trigger on a carry gun with no other safety does not seem very safe to me. The P-3AT's trigger may seem heavy and long to a shooter who is used to a light and short SA trigger. Even so, with practice you can get used to the heavier trigger quite quickly.

I started shooting handguns with 1911's and Mark I's, both very light and short triggers. It didn't take more than a few range visits to conquer the P-3AT's trigger.

Try a few different approaches;
Try a bit more or less finger on the trigger. I do pretty well with the trigger in the finger joint, but even better with the trigger about in the middle of the first pad.
I'm also more accurate if I stage the trigger, but I am still combat accurate just by pulling smoothly and quickly through the long stoke.

Remember this is not a target pistol, it is a self-defense pistol. Pin-point target accuracy is not what it's for - combat accuracy is it's purpose.

Bobo

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JFB

· #5 · Sep 22, 2009

reducing the trigger pull MAY not be a safety concern

the force pulling the trigger is your hammer spring, all you have to weaken spring stretch so that the hammer spring is not so strong. while you will be able to pull the trigger easier, the hammer may not have enough stricking force to pop the primer,

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Bobo

· #6 · Sep 23, 2009

JFB said:
reducing the trigger pull MAY not be a safety concern

the force pulling the trigger is your hammer spring, all you have to weaken spring stretch so that the hammer spring is not so strong. while you will be able to pull the trigger easier, the hammer may not have enough stricking force to pop the primer,

That's true! That's why Packer's light trigger mod (an older thread) included, in effect, an adjustable hammer spring.

Bobo

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JFB

· #7 · Sep 23, 2009

I never saw those mod since I didn't want to pay big bucks for a drywall screw, but didn't the firing pin have to be change so that it work with out its spring. Then you adjusted "trigger" till you got constaint firing

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bbauman

· #8 · Sep 23, 2009

Just for academic discussion..
the DAT trigger (last post) http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1176553013/14#14

Doesn't look like something I'd want to do to my gun but to each his/her own.

Anyone try this in a P3AT?

http://www.1bad69.com/keltec/triggerpull.htm

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longbeard48

· #9 · Sep 23, 2009

I personally see nothing wrong with the P3AT trigger. It took only a few shots to become familiar with. It's kinda funny to watch your friends squeeze off that first time shot, though. :

Longbeard48

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lop

· #10 · Sep 23, 2009

correct me if I'm wrong, but the energy put into the trigger is the energy that detonates the primer. If the hammer is very light, dosen't it need more speed to trasfer power to the primer? A heavier hammer would carry more inertia, therefore it could move with less speed. To move a light hammer with enough energy to boost a primer wouldn't you need more spring to slam that hammer harder and faster?

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doubloon

· #11 · Sep 23, 2009

There you go, lighten the spring and throw some lead tape on the hammer.

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JFB

· #12 · Sep 24, 2009

for the impact of the hammer on the firing pin, the momentum (p) intial equal monentum final, thus if the p=mv remains constaint the m to v can be inversely propertioanl. so increasing the hamer weight of a slower hammer the firing pin impact will remain the same

for the acceleration of the hammer the force at impact will be f=mv[sup]2[/sup]/r. there the rotational velocity of the hammer will be the square root of the f. by increasing the weight of the hammer, the force to accelerate it will decrease even with the same input energy

the petential energy stored in the spring is s=kx, the trigger pull force times the trigger pull lenght.

since the conversation of energy from the spring to the firing, the momentum factors of the hammer will transfer input energy, thus any thing that reduces the stored potential of compressing the spring will reduce the firing pin momnetum

so lop statement

the energy put into the trigger is the energy that detonates the primer

is true. if you reduce the energy in, you reduce the energy that strikes the primer and the m and v components for the transfer of monmetum can vary

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