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For what the little gun was designed for I'm pretty satisfied with it. To quote Antoine de St. Exupery -

"You know you have reached perfection in design not when there is nothing more to add but when there is nothing more you can take away".
 

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better shape to trigger, bigger trigger guard, slide hold open, stock 7 rd mag so i don't have to add optional baseplate.
dream on, give up some width and make it a double stack? the resulting fatter grip might silence some of the people who complain about the recoil
 

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I really wouldn't change anything about the P3AT itself. Mine has been excellent. If I wanted a .380 change, I'd be more prone to adding a 'larger than pocket size' such as the Bersa Thunder over switching to a new and improved P3AT.
Basically, you want a .380ACP conversion kit (barrel & recoil spring set) for the PF9 or maybe the P11. Lots of people have been asking for that.

Every once in a while I get the urge to buy a Patriot .380ACP barrel and recoil spring from Cobra to see how close a clone the Patriot really is. But I've never been willing to spend $40 + S&H on a lark which has at least as good a chance of not working as otherwise.

Looks close, though.



I find myself wondering about the .380ACP barrel (and recoil spring) for the Ruger LC380 also.

Peace favor your sword,
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Basically, you want a .380ACP conversion kit (barrel & recoil spring set) for the PF9 or maybe the P11. Lots of people have been asking for that.

Every once in a while I get the urge to buy a Patriot .380ACP barrel and recoil spring from Cobra to see how close a clone the Patriot really is. But I've never been willing to spend $40 + S&H on a lark which has at least as good a chance of not working as otherwise.

Looks close, though.



I find myself wondering about the .380ACP barrel (and recoil spring) for the Ruger LC380 also.
Here's my answer:

http://www.thektog.org/forum/f84/keltec-double-stack-380-p380-any-thoughts-266777/

Peace favor your sword,
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Anything that Ruger can't copy .

I think the P3AT is fine I don't miss last round lock slide open . Never really seen the need in a small pocket pistol . Would just make pistol a little larger. So I think not needed.
Want more rounds and slide locket open Then move up to a PF-9 . I can pocket carry mine . Little more recoil to be expected as a 9mm .
 

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Anything that Ruger can't copy .

I think the P3AT is fine I don't miss last round lock slide open . Never really seen the need in a small pocket pistol . Would just make pistol a little larger. So I think not needed.
Want more rounds and slide locket open Then move up to a PF-9 . I can pocket carry mine . Little more recoil to be expected as a 9mm .

since the .32 has it i would guess it was dropped just as a cost savings/simplification. the 2 are so similar it should not have been an engineering issue
 

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Basically, you want a .380ACP conversion kit (barrel & recoil spring set) for the PF9 or maybe the P11. Lots of people have been asking for that.

Every once in a while I get the urge to buy a Patriot .380ACP barrel and recoil spring from Cobra to see how close a clone the Patriot really is. But I've never been willing to spend $40 + S&H on a lark which has at least as good a chance of not working as otherwise.

Looks close, though.



I find myself wondering about the .380ACP barrel (and recoil spring) for the Ruger LC380 also.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk
Yeah I haven't thought about that until you mentioned it, but a .380 PF9 would reduce felt recoil via size and slight weight increase, plus... the locked breech vs blowback factor, ie, no heavy slide. You've opened my eyes to a new possibility.
 

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Anything that Ruger can't copy. // I think the P3AT is fine I don't miss last round lock slide open.
It looks that Ruger's customers got through to them, and LCP II has the hold-open now. It also offers a much improved trigger feel, while keeping the hammer-fired design. I think it's about time Kel-Tec started to copy back.
 

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since the .32 has it i would guess it was dropped just as a cost savings/simplification. the 2 are so similar it should not have been an engineering issue
From what I understand they didn't include the hold open in the P3at to keep it as small as possible. They were trying to make it the same size as the P32.

I wouldn't mind seeing them add it but I don't think I would buy a new one just for that reason.
 

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I really wouldn't change anything about the P3AT itself. Mine has been excellent. If I wanted a .380 change, I'd be more prone to adding a 'larger than pocket size' such as the Bersa Thunder over switching to a new and improved P3AT.
I have both and would like a little bit bigger trigger guard and I use the extra clip round and grip for ease of pulling from open carry belt holster. Bersa fits hand better and is bulker and heavier carrying ,slower getting drawn .
 

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You can get along with a plastic catch and a metal mag if you will press that catch even when inserting your mag. I also hold my mag in place before pushing and holding the mag catch, then allow the mag to come out. If you can hear the click, you're putting wear on your catch.
 

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You can get along with a plastic catch and a metal mag if you will press that catch even when inserting your mag. I also hold my mag in place before pushing and holding the mag catch, then allow the mag to come out. If you can hear the click, you're putting wear on your catch.
That's what I've done with my P32 and two P3ATs I use to own. It shouldn't be necessary though. Other companies understand this, why can't Kel-Tec?

The plastic mag catches were a problem on the PF9 and they changed them to metal. The same problem is present with the P32 and P3AT yet they refuse to change them. I tried a metal mag catch on one of my Glocks once. It instantly started tearing up the plastic notch on the magazines.

Metal mag catch with metal mags and plastic mag catch with plastic mags. Pretty simple and considering KT does the metal parts in house they can do it quite easily.
 

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I'd like to see it produced to function like the P11--true DAO--not half-cocked. I have the Taurus TCP, which is mechanically the same as the P3AT, also half-cocked, also 5 lb trigger. This may sound like a joke, but I'm serious--I think the trigger pull, while long, is too light. Also, I prefer double strike capability, and the ability to shoot continuously with dry fire practice without having to keep racking the slide.

As to last round hold-open, I'd be surprised it there wasn't a way to add some doohickey to the magazine follower to accomplish that.
 

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There is an easy hack to allow you to dry fire over and over without racking the slide to reset. I made this crummy video, check it out.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W2ybttoxBo[/ame]
 
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