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Hmmm...I don't know? :confused:

I can find airsoft PMR-30's and PLR-16's....but no P-11's or PF-9's. Which I thought someone would make.
 

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I don't know of one - granted, I've been out of the game for close to 17 years, now, but I haven't been able to score any hits on Google or via the usual sources.

There is an airsoft "P-11," but it's a designation the company making the replica assigned to that particular replica so as to avoid problems with the use of trademarks, and the replica is a Beretta M9-type clone.

The airsoft market overseas is driven by what their consumer population desires for skirmish gaming (typically military) and sporting (action shooting sports: Steel Challenge, IPSC, and IDPA all have their airsoft counterparts - remember that Japanese airsoft shooter Tatsuya Sakai took the Steel Challenge in a full field, just over a dozen years ago) or for collector purposes (military, sporting, film, historical). "Concealed Carry" isn't something that's on their minds in terms of either.

Question - what is your intended use?

Airsoft can be a great training tool, particularly if you're looking for a 1:1 (or close enough) functional item to do specific work with...but as with any tool, there's things that it's better as well as less suited for. What do you want out of an airsoft P-11 replica?
 

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Question - what is your intended use?

Airsoft can be a great training tool, particularly if you're looking for a 1:1 (or close enough) functional item to do specific work with...but as with any tool, there's things that it's better as well as less suited for. What do you want out of an airsoft P-11 replica?
I agree with your comment on how the airsoft gun makers chose what to make. My intended purpose is to train with something similar. Being able to draw from concealment in my backyard would be a great help. I got this idea from a great podcast I just listened to about training with airsoft. Here is the link. http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/episode-1860-airsoft-guns
 

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^ Ah, no problem. :) I was asking only to see what you wanted out of the tool, that' all. :)

I hope you did not read my question as being doubtful or disparaging of airsoft in any way. I was heavy into airsoft in my younger days (as an escape from everyday academics - I was in med-school at the time - that did not suffer the then-pitfalls of paintball: expense and a lack of involved/immersive scenario gaming), so much so that my contacts at the time included both individuals like Karl Rehn, Clarence Lai, and Eric Kincel, and even industry names such as KWA and Western Arms. Even today, I still own a large portion of my old airsoft collection, and I still use it in training, too:



^ Airsoft trainer on the far left. Training/practice beater in the middle. EDC on the far right. :)

With that said:

Is your locale permissive - and this includes neighbors who understand what you're doing (assuming you wish, in the first place, to share with them the knowledge that you own firearms) as well as seclusion from passers-by - enough that you can dry-practice with your firearm, outside? Or do you need to move it indoors? If the neighbors are going to be freaked out by something that looks like a gun, having an airsoft replica - even with the blaze orange muzzle marking in-place - outside for practice may still cause you some headaches....

Possible to move indoors, and just dry practice with your firearm?

Part of the problem with airsoft is that *rarely* is the balance of the replica actually that of the firearm. The vast majority have a center-of-mass that's dictated by the heavy-walled pressure vessel that is their gas-fuel magazine. As-such, their handling traits are not quite what they would be in real-life. With dynamic holster draw-to-presentation techniques being worked, having a more accurately weighed item in your hands my prove beneficial.

As darkwriter77 proposed above, the PPK probably is going to be as close as it gets for a gas-blow-back replica. I've got an old Maruzen replica of the Walther PPK, which is a cosmetically very appealing replica and true 1:1, but its durability as an everyday-use item is at-best questionable. Expense with this replica is another issue. Since I left the hobby, though, I know that Umarex either licensed a copy of it from Maruzen or had co-produced with Maruzen a copy that had a "metal" (don't get too happy, for the vast majority of non-custom-house far-eastern uses what we here in North America would call "pot metal," and is far from the 6061/7075 aluminum alloys that we usually think of in this type of application) slide, which should have been more durable.

The other problem is that the PPK replica from Maruzen/Umarex has been discontinued - a quick eBay search still brings up a few, though.

But I wonder....

For your intended use, would a "Blue Gun" work better? These are typically in the $40 to $50 range, and availability of the PPK replica certainly is not an issue (although again, we fall flat for the P-11).
 

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Just my opinion...the H&K shown in the 3rd link looks closest, to me, to the shape and size of a P-11. Or maybe a PF-9?






P-11.....


PF-9.....
 

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The USP Compact replica, if true 1:1, will be quite a bit bigger (at 173 mm length, versus 142 of the P-11) as well as taller (127:109 mm). Width is 35 mm versus 25 mm, respectively.

The Evike-sold "Bulldog" replica is of-course a Beretta Px4 replica, and is again at 173 x 129 (mm), with 36 mm width.

The following two that you cited, Roamer321, are, of-course, one and the same: http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Makarov_Ultra_Blowback_CO2_Pistol/3356 and http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwo...V_PM_CO2_Blowback_KCB44AHN_Full_Metal_6mm.htm . Again, this looks to be a slightly larger gun than the P-11, as is the Marui Detonics replica, http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwo..._SMGs_Tokyo_Marui_Tokyo_Marui_Detonics_45.htm .

The same actually extends also to the Walther CP99 and the M&P 9C replicas - both of which are more compacts than sub-compacts.

And I think that this is where things get difficult for you - that there's really very few true sub-compact class offerings. :(
 
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