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After getting mixed results of my recent attempts at trying to set gas adjustment for suppressor use with suppressor gas piston, There's and old saying. "I know where it's at, but I can't get there from here"
Returning from range with following results.
Gen 2 Original piston without Suppressor
Winchester 150 gr adjusts to B+25 2820 fps (box data)
preFecta 147 gr adjusts to B+15 Unk fps (no box data)
American Eagle 147 gr adjusts to B+15 2820 frs C box data)
I was surprised at difference between Winchester 150 gr powerpoint and 147 gr rounds
Gen 2 Kel-tec suppressor piston was over gassed with gas cap off with all 3 rounds with suppressor installed. With suppressor removed all 3 rounds where under gassed with gas cap bottomed. The RFB manual leads be to believe that you can use 1 gas piston with or without suppressor. You can see my original test results in previous post. Any input would be helpful
 

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It's back at Kel-tec for gas cap & pin repair. I'm thinking that they might replace the hole gas block Assy. Anyway everything is on hold until I get it back, then I'll try again with the suppressor piston. I noticed that the suppressor piston is now available on the Kel-tec website.
 

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Ordered a suppressor piston from keltec yesterday for my gen 2 RFB. Still waiting for the tax stamp but thought I would try the piston to see if it will allow enough gas to lock back without the suppressor. It probably won't but it will be interesting to see. I will post the physical difference in it vs. the original (non - suppressor) piston when it arrives.
 

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I received the Suppressor piston from Kel-Tec on Saturday 8/6/16. It looks exactly like my original piston with one major exception. The shaft was 0.248” and my original piston had a shaft diameter of 0.219”

I attempted to put the new suppressor piston in my gun and found the shaft was too large and it would not fit. Everything was effective the same except the shaft.

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I polished the rust preventive off the suppressor piston rings and that reduced the diameter by *0.001” so they were exactly the same diameter as my original piston and it still would not fit. So with an abundance of caution and a piece of emery cloth I started to carefully reduce the shaft diameter by hand. I took off 0.001” of an inch at a time and tried it and then took off another 0.001” and tried it, until an hour later I had taken off 0.003” and reached a shaft diameter of 0.245”

At this point it would go in the gas chamber if I tapped it very lightly with a small plastic gunsmith hammer. I had to tap it very lightly to take it out. By the way, before I started the fitting process, I scrubbed the interior of the gas piston chamber with the correct size of wire bore brushes and carbon solvent so it was very clean.

It will be interesting to see if this tight fitting piston will let in enough gas to lock back with the cap at bottom +0 and operate the action without a suppressor. I suspect it won’t, which means it probably won’t be over gassed with the suppressor. If it does lock back at a few clicks from bottom I may have enough gas adjustment left to have it operate correctly and lock back with the suppressor and suppressor piston installed. Ok, I know that is wishful thinking, but it sure would be nice not having to change pistons.

I cannot test the new piston with my suppressor yet since I am waiting on the government, anti-gun, bureaucrats to issue my tax stamp.* It has only been 4 months so I have a long wait still ahead. Once I get the suppressor I may have to take an additional 0.001” off the shaft but I will wait and test the various combinations first since I can’t but metal back on if I remove too much.

It runs flawlessly unsuppressed with the original piston at +12 clicks from bottom. I am shooting my custom load with a Hornady 150 Grain SST bullet over 46 grains of 4166 which burns very clean and is very temperature stable. It chronographs at the muzzle at 2738 fps in 34 degree weather and at 2735 fps in 95 degree weather. All shells were loaded at the same time and were cold soaked along with the gun in the winter or heat soaked with the gun in the summer to test the loads. Same magnetospeed chronograph was used. I used once fired commercial brass FL sized and trimmed to 2.000” since the FAL magazine is tight and after much testing I found that my RFB seems to like the slightly shorter overall length shell. Yours may be different.

I intend to test everything with both my supersonic load and with a sub-sonic load I will develop. I am hopeful that the subsonic suppressed load will work with my original piston since I have a lot of room to vent more gas and I will be using a low back pressure suppressor. I am sure that the suppressor piston will be required with my supersonic load when shooting suppressed.

All the testing and load development will have to wait until next year when my tax stamp comes in.
 

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Interested in .308 subsonic loads. I have been saving all my brass to reload .308. I haven't really considered subsonic loads since I also have 300 BLK AR type. The 300BLK uses a 200 to 220gr at sub sonic. What weight bullet would you be using for your RFB. Also to you thing it's possible to have 1 piston that will work with super & Subsonic ammo.
 

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TommyG, my barrel twist seems to work best with 150 to 165 grain bullets so it will be interesting to see if it will stabilize a subsonic heavy bullet. I will probably try a 220 grain round nose first if the RFB will feed it. That bullet shape may be easier to stabilize at slow speed. I am concerned about the terminal performance of thick jacketed rifle bullets at sub sonic velocities. I doubt that one piston will work with subsonic a super sonic rounds but I intend to test them suppressed and non-suppressed and will post the results. I am on the 308 winchester Facebook group and they are very active discussing loads. You may want to check it out.
 

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Received by RFB a couple of days ago from Kel-tec. They replaced barrel assembly and rear cover. The new barrel has the latest gas piston. It has a tit welded on the face for the spring to fit over. Repair order said works @+18 setting. Went to range and had to adjust to +28FB using Perfecta cheap Walmart 150 gr. I'm going to try some Winchester 150 gr and I'm sure it will be different. I'll try my suppressor piston with the Perfecta and Winchester and see if I can adjust either one. I did fire 5 rounds with standard piston and Perfecta without any problems @+35. But you could tell it was way over gassed. To much gas and blowback. Also noticed chamber was very dirty. Still looking for someone who has been able to adjust the gas system with a suppressor installed.
 

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Test fired and set gas adjustment without suppressor. After setting gas Adjustment, I test fired 5 rounds with suppressor without any further gas adjustment just to see if it would cycle. It did but was over gassed. Keltec used new stock barrel and flash hider.
 

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Ok. Well you probably already know this but suppressors, as an exhaust restriction so to speak, will increase back-pressure in the barrel and increase fouling of the chamber etc. It is normal to have to change gas settings for suppressor use, but you probably already know all this.
 
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