Not all of the old forums are lost!

Discussion in 'Feedback and Announcements' started by RustyTec, Oct 18, 2005.

  1. RustyTec

    RustyTec New Member

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    Oct 18, 2005
    Dallas
    Hi all,

    Thanks for all the info, insights, and opinions. I read every post concerning the P3AT, before buying one. I love mine and am recommending them to friends and family. I will post much more on this later. For now, suffice it to say that I am almost glad my Pocketlite was stolen. Major Kudos to KelTec for being brave enough to even try to design the perfect pocket gun.

    Yesterday I ran across the “Wayback Machine” and immediately tried to see if I could retrieve KTORG’s old posts. Results were spotty, but worthwhile! Today I scoured the current forms, to see if this is new news. Here is what I found:

    On: Sep 7th, 2004, 11:59am
    From: kraigster414 YaBB Senior Member
    "I mentioned the problem at the Kahr Club site and here is a copy and paste response:
    Just use the wayback machine. I'm sure MOST of the content is archived.
    http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.ktog.org
    Most recent:
    http://web.archive.org/web/20040311...//www.ktog.org/
    Then, the content can be 'copied back over'. "

    In reply:
    From: Ray Morris webmaster@ktog.org
    "Thanks. Unfortunately the messge board was not archived. "

    I’m not sure if he didn’t dig deep enough. Maybe he was on DialUp. It is frustrating, even with DSL. What I found was that web.archive.org has 76 pages listed as archived from 1999 to 2003. A lot of them don’t work, but some do. As proof, I offer the following:

    At: http://web.archive.org/web/20010417190252/www.ktog.org/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000413.html

    Posted: April 09, 2001 03:17 PM
    From: Freedom1 New Member
    "Well I sent my P32 in for chrome job and explained to Carolyn that when I have a full magazine inserted and I release the slide the first round will not chamber.
    I got the gun today with heavier recoil springs. Now the slide will not pull back far enough to get behind the bullet to chamber it.If I put an unloaded magazine in the slide will not stay open because it can't move back far enough to get behind the magazine.
    I called Carolyn back she said mix and match the springs to get the right compination.
    I tried the new stronger inner spring with my older outer spring that combination will let the slide get far enough back but still not strong enough to load the first shell.
    Whenever I try to use the longer outer spring it won't alow the slide to move back far enough.
    If I cut a little off the stronger spring will it work?
    Does a spring for this pistol have to be longer to be stronger because thats the problem I think.
    Any Ideas friends?"

    (5 posts down)

    From: alamo Member Posts: 98 From:austin, tx Registered: Sep 2000
    "DaStray - Our P-32s DO work, that's why we like them. Your comment makes no sense.
    Freedom1's problem seems to be easily corrected by changing springs. If that doesn't work, KT will fix it.
    Most P-32s function fine out of the box. If they don't, a little tweaking or a trip to the factory will take care of it. You would certainly have a valid complaint if KT had poor customer service or wasn't able to fix it (then they would replace it).
    It is probably not surprising that a gun this small and light can be finicky about some things like springs or ammo."

    Here is a few more that work:

    http://web.archive.org/web/20010627162039/www.ktog.org/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000496.html

    http://web.archive.org/web/20010302182221/www.ktog.org/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000020.html

    http://web.archive.org/web/20020210011918/www.ktog.org/wwwboard/p32/messages/111.html

    http://web.archive.org/web/20000303003745/www.ktog.org/articles-p11max.htm

    I’ll be looking into web crawlers and Internet micros to see just how much can be retrieved in an orderly fashion.

    Hope this made someone’s day. Thanks again for helping me find my new love.
     
  2. TxCajun

    TxCajun Administrator Staff Member Supporter

    Sep 7, 2004
    Texas
    Cool! 8)

    How did you find this stuff?

    I'm guessing Ray knows, but I'll pass this on.
     

  3. RustyTec

    RustyTec New Member

    33
    Oct 18, 2005
    Dallas
    I stumbled across the Wayback Machine by sheer luck. I had ordered some book binding equipment off the web at pbplastics.com. 10 days later, I emailed them and they replied that my order had just been shipped and that I would receive the UPS tracking number by close of business (last Friday). Monday comes around and there is still no word. So I research and found that they have an E-Bay store. Only thing is; they have nothing listed for sale. Their customer feedback was good, but 2 years out of date. More research and I find their archived web pages, no updates for two years! No wonder their web-site had the lowest prices by far! I wondered if they are going to honor them. I wondered if they are still in business.

    About then my instincts tell me that the Wayback Machine is more important. I just have to think of a way to put it good use. I messed around going to web-sites that don’t exist anymore. I looked at posts that had been removed by the poster, but still show up on search-engine servers. Then it hit me, and you know the rest.

    BTW I got my tracking number last night. UPS has it being delivered tomorrow. Credit card was charged as agreed. Anyone want to publish some books?
     
  4. Tech Admin

    Tech Admin New Member

    178
    Apr 6, 2003
    Well, there's good news and ad news.
    From what I can see, very little of the old forums are
    archived and I don't currently see a good way to retrieve
    what's there. The good news, though, is that some people
    just recently started working on some software that may
    be very handy for pulling the old posts from the old
    database which was hacked. In the next few weeks we
    may be able to get 63,000 old posts out of that database.
     
  5. TxCajun

    TxCajun Administrator Staff Member Supporter

    Sep 7, 2004
    Texas
    I went through that stuff and there's not a whole lot there. 63,000 posts, on the other hand, sounds pretty good.
     
  6. RustyTec

    RustyTec New Member

    33
    Oct 18, 2005
    Dallas
    I agree, the Wayback Machine has Way to many FTF.

    Sorry if anyone wasted much time there. I sure did. I clicked on every available link for the P32 topics, and recorded each URL that worked. (only 43). Then I figured out how the URL works and wrote an Excel micro to check the first 1000 possibilities. With that, I found a total of 167 topics. (Apparently they don’t have links to all the things they have stored.)

    The earliest topic is May 08, 2000. The latest is January 11, 2002. It appears that the URL format changed to something more complex at that time.

    Only the first page of each topic is available.

    If you estimate 5 posts per topic; this is 840 posts. If you assume the P32 as 25% of the total, then 3,360 posts should be available. (A measly 5% of the stated 63,000.)

    For those that would like to browse, these links are 100%, chronological, and no duplicates.



    Edited: to remove links due to improved format by Ray in post #8 below.
     
  7. pocketgun

    pocketgun New Member

    May 4, 2005
    It is kind of like watching old Super Bowls on ESPN classic. Thanks for the hard work RT! ;D
     
  8. TxCajun

    TxCajun Administrator Staff Member Supporter

    Sep 7, 2004
    Texas
    Or watching old KTOG reruns on TV Land. 8)
     
  9. Tech Admin

    Tech Admin New Member

    178
    Apr 6, 2003
  10. pocketgun

    pocketgun New Member

    May 4, 2005
    Thanks Ray, great to have it back as part of KTOG. ;D