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Cool. Looks like what everyone has been clamoring for. We'll get a new board going.

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"Other significant KelTec pistol innovations included the new P50 pistol and the now retired PF9™ and
P11™ pistols, the P11 being first sub-compact, polymer, 9 mm handgun for concealed carry. Also
slated for retirement due to P15 innovation is the P3AT™."
 

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If they're retiring the P3AT, I would almost bet money the P32 isn't going to be far behind. :( But if they came up with a micro-compact double-stack .32 ACP pistol to replace it - think LCP Max in .32 ACP - then I might be willing to accept it without (much) complaint.

BUT ... heyyyyy, sounds like Kel-Tec has FINALLY gotten their act together in coming out with a (possibly) worthy replacement for the P11. Why they chose to kill the P11 years before releasing the P15, however, is beyond me - I figure they could've gotten at least a bit more in sales out of it, especially during all of the election-inspired panic-buying last year and the year before (which happens pretty much every election cycle now).

Pics of said P15 would be nice, though. SHOT Show, I guess?
 

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I'd like to see the weight/dimensions, and of course a pic would be nice. Have to wait for the Shotshow I guess.

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Might be hard to pocket carry with a 15 round extended magazine. I've been looking for a "light and thin" 9mm for pocket carry, but 15 rounds? If it's double stacked, then it's not the lightest and thinnest. Hopefully it will come with a choice of mags.
 

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Yea I'm wondering too, and thinking "Lightest and Thinest of it's Kind" means lightest, thinest double stack? Surely there will be a flush fit mag but even still, that's not going in my pocket. I can't figure how a 15 rd double stack replaces the PF9, let alone the P3AT. Go figure...

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Yea I'm wondering too, and thinking "Lightest and Thinest of it's Kind" means lightest, thinest double stack? Surely there will be a flush fit mag but even still, that's not going in my pocket. I can't figure how a 15 rd double stack replaces the PF9, let alone the P3AT. Go figure...

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Yes, I would love to get a PF9, but I've never seen one for sale, new or used. Don't want a .32 cal because the ammo doesn't exist in my area. Same with .380.
 

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The renders from the TTAG post make it look like KT's response to the G19 or the Ruger Security 9. If so, it's (literally) decades too late. While it's impossible to tell for sure, it looks like it is way larger than the PF9 or the P11 so it will not be a viable micro-sub-compact replacement for the P11/PF9 and a competitor to the Sig P365 and the bevy of alternatives (Hellcat, GX4, MC2sc, DVG1, MAX-9, &tc.). If true, I think it's a big mistake.

I also don't see an optics cut on that render. Also, if true, another big mistake.

If this is what George Kelgren was talking about when he said they weren't bringing back a striker-fired P11 but something "much better," then I'm very very disappointed.

A Kel-Tec version of the G19 (with no optics cut)? Pass. :(

Maybe it's actually closer in size to the Sig P365XL or the Glock 43X? I know that those two are pretty much the only ones in their class and are both very popular. If that's the comparison then maybe KT is on to something. I hope so. But it still needs an optics cut.

But I just invested in a MC2sc so I'm still not the target market.

I do like the grip safety, however.

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I see little in that picture that appeals to me.

The grip texture looks overly aggressive, no optics cut, and the grip safety looks like an uncomfortable afterthought.
The overall lines of the design are uninspired, even for Kel-Tec.
The only possible upside I can see is it appears the rear half of the slide looks to be polymer and hopefully modular??? Maybe a user installable optics cut rear slide module will be made available in the future?
 

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The SHOT Show starts in 4 days. I'm sure we'll see some interviews/video with more details. I'll be curious to see how the P15 replaces so many KT models. Having said that, my P11/40/357, PF9/22, and P3AT/32NAA ain't going nowhere.

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They probably should consider engaging at social media, although I heard that Facebook was hemorrhaging users badly in the U.S. and may be in a terminal decline. Meta, owners of Facebook, also own Instagram, which goes strong.
 

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As far as optics, it could be since this is supposed to be the "lightest & thinnest" of it's kind, there may not be any optics that fit it. And they like to keep the price point down. If optics do fit it, there might be a version down the road or optics ready slide sold as a part. That's what S&W has done, introduce without optics capability initially and offer it later.
I think they are purposely not putting out much on social media right now. They are introducing it at the SHOT Show next week and once that's over, they'll put it out. I see KT on Facebook and Instagram frequently. The email they sent out was just a heads up, without a lot of details to generate some buzz I suppose and to get folks at the SHOT Show to come check it out.
 

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Well, it's not the prettiest thing I've ever seen, that's for sure. Looks like the mutant offspring of a Walther PDP and a Kel-Tec P17 with the grip safety of a Springfield XDS and the magazine release of a Sig P365. The extended magazine baseplate, I'm assuming, is probably for the 15-round setup and, if so, I'm assuming there's a 10- or 12-round flush-fitting magazine, which would reduce the grip length and put it more in line with something like a Sig P365XL, which is a fairly small pistol. (Definitely smaller than a Glock 19, anyway.) With the extended baseplate shown, it's probably got the same dimensions as a Glock 48, which is the same length/height as a G19 but is as thin as a G43. I'm betting this was Kel-Tec's strategy here: "Lookie, folks! With the G48, you have to buy aftermarket magazines and swap the magazine release button in order to get 15 rounds in a gun that size, but ours comes with 15-rounders from the factory! Wheeeee!" (And hopefully its MSRP is less than the G48, so at least they might also have that going for them.)

Essentially, it seems pretty much aimed to compete with the G48 and P365XL. I won't go so far as to say it's useless, unwanted, or whatever else, but ... yeah. Kinda underwhelming. And as Kirk indicated, there is NO WAY that this "replaces" the P3AT in any way, shape, or form. Good luck trying to cram a G48 or P365XL sized pistol in a pocket as easily as a P3AT...

I dunno what the heck is going on with the back of the slide there. Almost looks like a .22 LR blowback setup, like the P17, unless it's just a polymer cover for an optics mount or something ... which is a really bizarre way of doing things, if that's the case. Being that it goes up to the back of the ejection port and stops is what makes me think it could be an optics mount, but again, it's weird that the piece goes all the way down and all the way to the back of the slide. Really weird. Maybe it has something to do with how the thing field-strips, which also would be a really bizarre way of doing things... :unsure:

Even from a photo, I can already tell the grip texture on the sides of the grip are stupid-excessive in aggressiveness - basically, little squares of M&P 2.0 style 60-grit sandpaper. Ugh. When are gun manufacturers going to learn that putting aggressive texture ON THE SIDES of the grip DOES NOT HELP because that's not where the majority of the shooter's grip force is applied with their hands? The front and back straps should get that sort of texture, a-la the Wilson Combat grip modules for the Sig P320. Putting it on the sides of the grip just makes it a cheese grater on skin and clothing. Easily fixable with a bit of sandpaper to dull the texture, but stupid that manufacturers keep doing this.

At least it FINALLY looks like Kel-Tec decided to start making the slide stop out of a machined part instead of a cheap, flimsy stamped-steel piece like they did with the P11 and PF9.

Anyway. Guess we'll all hafta wait for SHOT Show for more. It's sorta interesting, but also fairly disappointing.
 
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