Featured New & confused KSG owner

Discussion in 'KSG Bullpup Shotgun' started by Cchomp88, Oct 7, 2017.

  1. Cchomp88

    Cchomp88 Member

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    Sep 30, 2017
    Recently purchased a stunning KSG for $966 after tax. Tore it completely down, cleaned the barrel and all internals. I have used Red N Tacky grease instead of standard oil for a couple years. It tends to stay where I put it and has amazing heat resistance.

    I added an AFG2 and a Sitemark red dot and was feeling super tacti-cool. Now, I am a Combat Veteran discharged in 2011 and have been around guns most of my life. I have been wanting a KSG since they came out so I am well aware of the ejection issues regarding the bulk, Walmart birdshot. I had seen a few people have luck with them.

    I started with some high brass Winchester buckshot. Second round was a FTE. Now I had the KSG for a week and was beyond excited before shooting it so this could’ve likely been a user error. I then loaded up (15) 2-3/4 slugs. Good god! No issues at all except it may have broken my collar bone! Then I started trying to feed some super cheap, Winchester, Walmart special birdshot and yup- every other round was FTE. Was demoralizing and frustrating. I forced roughly 60 through it and gave up. I was hoping I had one of the ‘golden’ models that would eat anything.

    Today I went and bought some Federal High-Brass #4 in 2-3/4 and some less expensive Rio Game Load 7.5 birdshot in 2-3/4. I have read here that the cheap Winchester has an aluminum hull that fireforms to the chamber which can make it hard to eject? The Rio Game Loads are a bronze color so is it safe to assume they are steel or brass and should be ok? Will the high brass #4 be ok?

    I am hopeful you all can help save me a bit of money by advising what will be best to stay away from?

    I have also read you can ‘polish the internals’ to help, but I’m honestly terrified to attempt this. I have a Yugo AK that I sanded down the trigger and rails to smooth out the action, but any guidance?

    Lastly, can anyone help me confirm if I have a newer KSG or ‘new old stock’? My S/N is: XX9534. I attempted to use the matrix on the existing forums, but am baffled.

    Any and all advice/tips are very much welcomed. Thanks in advance!!
     

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  2. Gooman18

    Gooman18 Member

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    Feb 22, 2017
    I've been fortunate to not have feeding or ejection issues. I'm not sure of your technique but I rack the everloving crap out of my KSG, the empties are coming out at warp speed.

    There's also a fluff and buff section in the KSG FAQ on the main ksg forum that may help. Or you could sit on the couch and rack the slide a few hundred times to break it in some, UNLOADED of course.
     

  3. Cchomp88

    Cchomp88 Member

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    Sep 30, 2017
    What have you shot.
     
  4. Gooman18

    Gooman18 Member

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    Feb 22, 2017

    Most of everything, if you're referring to shells. I've not had any issues with the Winchester bulk packs in question, though my round count on those is under 200. No problems with bulk, buck, slugs, even minis work just fine.

    I have had problems previously with the Winchester shells in other shotguns and it's always been a problem with the rim 'tearing' at the extractor.
     
  5. Cchomp88

    Cchomp88 Member

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    Sep 30, 2017
    It wasn’t an issue with racking hard enough. The extractor wouldn’t get a solid catch and would break free when I would pull the slide back to eject the round. I took my time and wasn’t trying rapid fire. Just seemed to have an issue getting a good bite
     
  6. Gooman18

    Gooman18 Member

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    Feb 22, 2017
    I must have misunderstood the original post, now I see what you're saying. It doesn't seem that a fluff and buff would help if the extractor isn't getting a good bite. I'd call or email KT and see what they say, they'll likely send replacement parts for no charge. It could be as simple as replacing the extractor
     
  7. Cchomp88

    Cchomp88 Member

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    Sep 30, 2017
    Hmm. Ok
     
  8. dfariswheel

    dfariswheel Active Member

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    Jul 17, 2017
    The usual fix for failures to extract is to polish the chamber.
    Some newer shotguns have chambers rougher then older guns, and often give failures to extract with cheaper ammo.

    Kel-Tec parkerizes the KSG chamber and bore and that makes the chamber rough enough to cause many people problems.

    The roughness of the parkerizing causes some shells, especially cheap, bulk shells to stick enough to give failures to extract.
    There are several methods of doing a chamber polish and any gunsmith can do it for you for a minimal charge.
    You can also easily do it yourself.

    One easy method is to get a drill, a section of a shotgun cleaning rod, or a hardwood dowel at the hardware store.
    For the cleaning rod, screw on a used 12 gauge bore brush and wrap it with 0000 steel wool.
    For the wood dowel, use a saw to saw a slit in the front and insert the end of some fine wet or dry sand cloth then wrap it around the dowel.

    With either, put the rod or dowel into an electric drill and insert the brush and 0000 steel wool or sand cloth into the chamber.
    Running the drill at medium speed, continually move the rod up and down the chamber to polish.
    Keep the rod moving at all times.
    This should take only a few minutes, so inspect often and don't over do it.
    When the chamber has a uniform, smooth and shiny surface with no traces of the parkerizing left, quit.

    After polishing, thoroughly clean the chamber and bore with solvent and keep a thin layer of lube in it unless shooting.
    This will usually cure the failures to extract.
    You can also use the same technique to polish the bore too.
    This smooths the bore and makes it easier to clean.

    Using the steel wool on a bore brush has long been a valid gunsmithing technique to smooth a rough chamber, and it's been used for many years as a method of cleaning a fouled barrel of lead and plastic.

    As for the "Fluff and Buff, it's in the sticky FAQ section at the top of the KSG section.
    Doing a smoothing operation has great benefits for the KSG and pretty much eliminates short stroking problems.

    My KSG now operates so smoothly I can very gently operate it and it works 100% without the usual recommendation to just hammer the gun while operating it.

    Doing a smoothing job (not a "like a mirror" polish) is fairly easy and can be done with minimal tools and if done correctly, with no risk to the gun.

    I have an article in the articles section on the general aspects of doing a polish job to firearms.
    This is not specific to the KSG, but I eventually intend to do an enhanced fluff and buff for the KSG from a gunsmiths perspective.
    Right now, just follow the fluff and buff posts in the FAQ's, polish the chamber, and you may be surprised at how nicely your KSG operates.

    Last, you have a newer KSG.
    The "XX" serial number guns are the most recent.
     
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  9. Cchomp88

    Cchomp88 Member

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    Sep 30, 2017
    This makes a lot of sense. While cleaning I noticed what looked like carbon build up in the chamber and roughly the first 3” of the barrel. I was trying to clean with a bore snake so I soaked it with cleaner and went at it with a regular rod, but still couldn’t remove it
     
  10. BlakeHanson

    BlakeHanson Well-Known Member

    May 31, 2015
    KT puts this in their manual to sidestep the problem:
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    You can rest assured that any cheap ammo you buy at Wally-world isn't up to their :quote:standard:quote:.

    Here's the rest of the story:
    In the beginning, they smoothed the chambers after the barrels came back from being parkerized. This is a time-consuming (read: expen$ive) step. When they ramped up production, they found out they would shoot high-brass just fine without it so they dropped this step out.

    In a nutshell, if you want to shoot cheap ammo, you'll have to smooth your chamber like Dfariswheel said, or $hoot a bunch of ammo thru it to do the same, or send it back and they will smooth it for free.
     
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  11. Cchomp88

    Cchomp88 Member

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    Sep 30, 2017
    Thank you! SEE PICTURES BELOW Decided to read the manual and bam. Sounds like I may be able to get away with low brass if it’s actually brass. I have some Rio 7.5 that appears to be Steel or aluminum and will advise the outcome.

    As we speak, I took dfariswheels proactive advice and am totally disassembling it to polish everything. I hit a dead end at the mag plugs.

    Finally removed them (1/2 turn at a time) but only one side came off. The side that did come off popped the snap ring. The other side is free spinning but is acting like it’s stuck. Should I just give it a pull with pliers? I tried to screw the other side in to add tension but to no avail.

    Really trying to like my $1,000 shotgun but am getting very demoralized.
     

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  12. 62-10

    62-10 Active Member

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    Jan 18, 2015
    The mag tube bolts are captured, they are not supposed to be completely removed from the barrel assembly. The barrel assembly of your KSG is probably force/friction fit into the receiver, thereby making separation from the receiver very difficult w/o extra force . One of my KSG's had a burr on the receiver that needed to be smoothed before the barrel assembly would separate from the receiver w/o having to use a wooden block & mallet to persuade it.
     
  13. Cchomp88

    Cchomp88 Member

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    Sep 30, 2017
    Good lord. The one side came off with no force. I will screw it in loosely and drive on.

    Greatly appreciate y’alls help
     
  14. BlakeHanson

    BlakeHanson Well-Known Member

    May 31, 2015
    Did you read that you have to press down on the cartridge stop actuator to get it apart?
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  15. 62-10

    62-10 Active Member

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    Jan 18, 2015
    Good point, BH.
     
  16. Cchomp88

    Cchomp88 Member

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    Sep 30, 2017
    Well that is the one thing I was actually aware of. I believe I have this mess I created sorted out. I luckily found the snap ring with no damage. Due to my frustration, I’m leaving it as is to do some further research to avoid any damage. Also need to grab some snap ring pliers and some steel wool.

    If I polish the chamber and the first inch or so of the barrel, will that void my warranty with Kel-Tek?
     
  17. Cchomp88

    Cchomp88 Member

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    Sep 30, 2017
    But is as fully disassembled as you can take it down.
     
  18. BlakeHanson

    BlakeHanson Well-Known Member

    May 31, 2015
    Unless you use like some 80-grit sandpaper and ruin the barrel where they have to replace it, no.
    There's been some pretty bad horror stories on here about what some have done to theirs (including outright damage:eek:) and I've never heard one come back that the warranty was void.
    If you send it back as a box of parts and one of the parts is missing, they may make you pay for that part (if it's expensive):rolleyes:.
     
  19. Cchomp88

    Cchomp88 Member

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    Sep 30, 2017
    Thank you, sir. I will be getting 0000 Steel wool as suggested and use a cleaning rod.

    Good to know kel-Tec won’t take issue. Thank you all again. It has been obnoxiously difficult to find detailed direction on the KSG.
     
  20. Cchomp88

    Cchomp88 Member

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    Sep 30, 2017
    Kind of a dumb question but everything say just polish the chamber and bore. Can anyone provide me with a link or better description? Should I just polish the entire chamber that holds the bolt and bolt carrier? For the bore, should I polish any of the actual barrel or just the enclosure before the barrel?