Need Advice My P-3AT Turned into a Single Shot

Discussion in 'P-3AT' started by KyKelTec, Dec 26, 2010.

  1. KyKelTec

    KyKelTec New Member

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    Dec 26, 2010
    Hello All,
    My P3AT is about 2 Weeks Old. I purchased it with 100 rounds of RWS FMJ Ammo. Ran through those with zero malfunctions. Now it has turned into a single shot. I've tried Winchester, Blazer, Herters FMJ ( I know, Cheap Stuff). I have also tried Corbon and Fiocchi HP. this is what happens.

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    I have done the F&B, polish and cleaning.
    I have read about the "Smilies" here are pics of the rounds trying to feed.

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    Do I just need to send it back in for repairs? I really like the gun, but right now my confidence level on it is 0%. My PF9 so far has eaten everything I've fed it.

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    Thanks for any advice.
     
  2. JFB

    JFB New Member

    Jul 25, 2005
    as your pics show, the spent case hits the case mouth of the next round and knocks the extractor off the spent rim.

    I would remove and clean the extractor, check to see if button head screw was loose
    make sure the extractor tip is not worn
    clean the upper section of the chamber so the spent round can be pulled out easier
    clean the upper barrel block and inside the slide so the barrel tilts down smoothly

    since it worked prior, I don't think you need to remove any metal from the barrel hood, but you might want to consider if the above doesn't correct
     

  3. KyKelTec

    KyKelTec New Member

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    Dec 26, 2010
    10-4

    I'll break her back down, go over it again, and do as suggested.
    Will let you know.

    Thanks.
    kykeltec.
     
  4. doubloon

    doubloon New Member

    Jan 5, 2008
    Houston-ish, TX
    What he said about tightening the extractor except I'd lean toward sending it back before I take a file to the barrel.

    In the first picture there's a clear shot of the nick in the brass where the extractor took a chunk out of it.

    Question: If you load one round and one round only in the magazine then rack it and shoot it does the spent case eject properly?

    Follow up questions: Two rounds? Three rounds?
     
  5. KyKelTec

    KyKelTec New Member

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    Dec 26, 2010
    Follow Up Results after breakdown & cleaning and making sure ejector screw was seated and tight:


    1. Loaded (1) Round in Magazine. Cycled Correctly. I done this 3 times.
    2. Loaded (2) Rounds in Magazine. Cycled Correctly. I done this 3 times.
    3. Loaded (3) Rounds in Magazine. FTE after Round 2
    4. Loaded (4) Rounds in Magazine. FTE after Round 1
    5. Full Magazine. FTE after round 1.  

    Unless somebody sees something totally out of skew with these pictures, I'm going to have to send her back to the mother ship. I really think the pro's need to take a look at it. I've gone about as far as my skill levels allow.

    Anyway, if anybody has any suggestions let me know.

       
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    Thanks,
    kykeltec
     
  6. JFB

    JFB New Member

    Jul 25, 2005
    one last thing that i just remebered that got me on the P32

    check the magazine spring to be sure the coil angle matches the follower angle so to push the followe up straight. clean the follower while it is out


    there is one last "trick" that I use, but it has not been well recieved by others. If the mag spring was correct, I'll tell about putting a shim under the barrel lug to keep it higher during extraction
     
  7. virtual-rj

    virtual-rj New Member

    Jul 22, 2007
    Houston, TX
    1. need new extractor

    2. barrel feed ramp needs some work (kinda hard for me to explain, if you saw mine, you would understand, but wifey has it right now so I cant get pics)

    3. gets new recoil springs
     
  8. TxCajun

    TxCajun Administrator Staff Member Supporter

    Sep 7, 2004
    Texas
    Since it cycles and feeds fine with only 1 or 2 rounds in the mag, but starts to fail as you add rounds to the mag, I suspect a mag issue. Do you have more than one mag? If so, does it do this with all mags?
     
  9. KyKelTec

    KyKelTec New Member

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    Dec 26, 2010
    I haver (2) Mags. Same Issue with each.
    I'm going to send it back in. I'll keep everybody updated on the outcome.

    Thanks for the help.

    kykeltec.
     
  10. PshootR

    PshootR Banned

    Apr 1, 2005
    Your first pic and the later one from above perfectly illustrate the classic Kel-Tec failure to extract jam.

    The pics cannot show the position of the parts at the time the extractor slipped over the case rim as that would require high speed photography to document.

    Removing a small amount of material from the inside of the extractor would allow that part to move further to the left and grab the case rim move tightly.

    I think the problem may be that the flat, leaf type spring does not provide as consistent pressure as a coil spring does.

    Because semi-auto pistols operate at high cyclic rates all moving parts are subject to high "g" forces and hand cycling does not really simulate live fire experiences.

    Yours are probably the highest quality pics I've ever seen on this site!
     
  11. KyKelTec

    KyKelTec New Member

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    Dec 26, 2010
    I actually understand and comprehend what you're saying, makes perfect sense to me. If this firearm was several years old and had thousands of rounds ran through it, I would probably go ahead and perform an operation or two.

    I am going to leave it stock, send it back and see what the official explanation is.

    Thanks,
    kykeltec.

    BTW, thsanks for the compliment on the pics.
     
  12. bunky

    bunky New Member

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    Aug 27, 2008
    new extractor
     
  13. KyKelTec

    KyKelTec New Member

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    Dec 26, 2010
    Can you elaborate?

    Just my amateur observations, my extractor appears to be in excellent condition with no noticeable wear. It has had less than 250 rounds through it. Does my extractor show abnormal wear or something?

    Just curious.

    Thanks,
    kykeltec  
     
  14. PshootR

    PshootR Banned

    Apr 1, 2005
    No. Some Kel-Tecs may have abnormal tolerances IMO though. This problem seems to often occur on new guns, most often P-3AT and PF-9. The P-11 uses a coil spring to activate the extractor and the P-32 fires the .32 auto semi-rimmed cartridge which aids in extraction.
     
  15. JFB

    JFB New Member

    Jul 25, 2005
    a call to KT Service and discribe your problem calmly and if KT doesn't imedatly offer to send you a new extractor, spring and screw; poletily ask for them and they will be something you can check in less than a week.

    If you send it in, it will be 6 to 8 weeks

    If the new extractor & spring does not, send it in

    sorry about being vague and quick in responses, I'm having computer difficulties today
     
  16. doubloon

    doubloon New Member

    Jan 5, 2008
    Houston-ish, TX
    Since it cycles and feeds fine with only 1 or 2 rounds in the mag, but starts to fail as you add rounds to the mag, I suspect a mag issue.  Do you have more than one mag?  If so, does it do this with all mags?    
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    That's what I was thinking too and why I was asking about less than full mags. The nick on the brass says the extractor is engaging and I swear it looks like there's a dent in the jacket on one of the following rounds from the rim of the ejecting case, almost like the round is coming up to high out of the mag and blocking the ejection.

    I was thinking along the lines of checking the seam in the back of the mags for separation or look for a crack, seems like pressure from more rounds on the spring might be causing the mag to open up a little.

    Just a thought.
     
  17. KyKelTec

    KyKelTec New Member

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    Dec 26, 2010

    I like that idea.
    Kel-Tec is closed all this week, correct?
    As soon as I talk to them I'll update.


    Thanks
     
  18. JFB

    JFB New Member

    Jul 25, 2005
    Did you take the magazines apart?
     
  19. tackstrp

    tackstrp New Member

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    Dec 23, 2010
    I have exactly the same problem,reading now to see the fix. Freedom edition #60 of 50000