I picked up yet another p-17 last night from Midway for $199. This will make 4 now. One for me and the rest are Christmas gifts for the family. I know they aren't pretty, or as prestigious as some makers (I have colt and Ruger for example) but just dang, for a woods gun or a trainer these can't be beat. I figure I'll get a chance to look at different iterations from a QC point of view. Mine is green for easy ID .