I'm looking at getting a http://www.shop.gearheadworks.com/KSG-Beast-muzzle-device-KSG-beast.htm to help mitigate some of the concussive blast of my ksg. Anyone have one? Like it, hate it?
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that is just a cover for use with the salvo 12 suppressor so it covers the choke adapter. Makes the shotgun look smooth and covers the gap. Not a muzzle device and it say not to use one.
Copied from their site.
This intimidating part will give your KSG a whole new look. It is not just for show though. It features M-lok slots on 3 sides to add a rail, light, hand stop or whatever else you would want on the front of your favorite shotty.*
Also has limited rotation sling cups on each side so now you can have that quick detach sling. It still retains the factory style sling loops as well.
The crenulated edge gives you a pain compliance feature for law enforcement as well as grip for door breaching.
It also closes up the gap left when using a Salvo suppressor so you get to keep the uninterrupted monolithic look that is so signature of this pump gun.
The use of a choke adapter is strongly recommended and we will not warranty this part if used without one. DO NOT use a muzzle brake with this as it will direct gas directly to the inside walls causing erosion from blast particles as well as gas venting from the slots in several directions. Fortunately the Beast muzzle device hides the choke adapter from view as to not detract from the lines of the gun as it would without it.
Installation requires the use of the barrel ring removal socket. The muzzle nut is retained with thread locker and may require heat. Gunsmith installation is recommended.*
Single M-lok slot will only accept the 3 slot version rail.
Copied from their site.
This intimidating part will give your KSG a whole new look. It is not just for show though. It features M-lok slots on 3 sides to add a rail, light, hand stop or whatever else you would want on the front of your favorite shotty.*
Also has limited rotation sling cups on each side so now you can have that quick detach sling. It still retains the factory style sling loops as well.
The crenulated edge gives you a pain compliance feature for law enforcement as well as grip for door breaching.
It also closes up the gap left when using a Salvo suppressor so you get to keep the uninterrupted monolithic look that is so signature of this pump gun.
The use of a choke adapter is strongly recommended and we will not warranty this part if used without one. DO NOT use a muzzle brake with this as it will direct gas directly to the inside walls causing erosion from blast particles as well as gas venting from the slots in several directions. Fortunately the Beast muzzle device hides the choke adapter from view as to not detract from the lines of the gun as it would without it.
Installation requires the use of the barrel ring removal socket. The muzzle nut is retained with thread locker and may require heat. Gunsmith installation is recommended.*
Single M-lok slot will only accept the 3 slot version rail.
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I have one only because I have a Salvo in jail. I wouldn't have it otherwise. I don't see the need. With it mounted I lose the ability to use the rail mount that I really like for mounting a light, so . . . it's a trade-off. The mount I'm talking about is shown below.
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I bought one of those and had it for 30 minutes. Then my KSG got knocked over and landed right on that rail. My TLR-1 was completely fine; the rail, not so much. A few more degrees of yaw and it would have jammed firmly into my forend and rendered the gun completely useless.
I have one only because I have a Salvo in jail. I wouldn't have it otherwise. I don't see the need. With it mounted I lose the ability to use the rail mount that I really like for mounting a light, so . . . it's a trade-off. The mount I'm talking about is shown below.
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Hey, thats a nice rail. Haven't seen one before. Care to share information about it?I have one only because I have a Salvo in jail. I wouldn't have it otherwise. I don't see the need. With it mounted I lose the ability to use the rail mount that I really like for mounting a light, so . . . it's a trade-off. The mount I'm talking about is shown below.
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Yep, the picture I posted is of the Hi-Tech Customs mini rail. Just don't drop the gun on it . .
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Recommended Muzzle brake with chokes?
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I used this one from SMT that is long and came with the tool. It uses Remington chokes which are long as well. My gun doesn't have to look cool or break down doors. It just has to shoot really well.
They now have a version with teeth:
There are so many variables in choosing:
1. How important is overall length? The KSG's shortness is very important to some.
2. Does the muzzle need to be able break a door or a car window?
3. How important is the "It's gotta look waaaY Kool!" factor?
4. How important is the efficacy of the choke?
5. How important is the recoil-reduction factor?
There are many choices available. None fulfill all of the above.
Waay cool!
: (but no choke)
Yet another choice, with choke (buckshot and slugs only):
Need to know which factors are how important to recommend anything.
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Thought about getting this one from hitechcc. Not sure how effective of a reduction in spread it will be.
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You can reduce the spread to a fraction of what it is now if you want. You just screw in a tighter choke. You'll be amazed.
The gun has a cylinder bore, no choke.
Chokes change it tighter. The progression goes from 'cylinder' to 'improved cylinder', 'modified', 'full choke', 'extra-full choke', then 'turkey'.
I shot mine with an 'extra-full' Rem choke and was hitting stuff with bird-shot at 50 yards.
Bird-shot pattern was about a foot square at 25 yds
. I use the modified choke the most
.The Hitech looks like it is a brake but the choke tube inside covers the holes which they state are to "save weight".
Without a choke tube in it, it would probably have some braking.
Adding a choke totally changes the KSG capability from home defense to "shotgun".
(as always, don't shoot slugs or large buckshot thru chokes tighter than 'modified' as it opens them up and makes them "not-tight" anymore
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Choke tubes
Carlson's makes a gazillion replacement choke tubes for everything. And 47 flavors of each one.
The Hi-tech adapter takes "TRULOCK" choke tubes.
Closest match I could find was TRU-CHOKE tubes and I don't think they are the same:headstratch:.
KT's choke adapter takes Winchester/Mossberg tubes:
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SMT's choke adapters take Remington tubes which are longer:
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Both the Remington and Winchester tubes cost the same.
(I'm biased toward longer tubes but that's another story)
Carlson's makes a gazillion replacement choke tubes for everything. And 47 flavors of each one
.The Hi-tech adapter takes "TRULOCK" choke tubes.
Closest match I could find was TRU-CHOKE tubes and I don't think they are the same:headstratch:.
KT's choke adapter takes Winchester/Mossberg tubes:
SMT's choke adapters take Remington tubes which are longer:
Both the Remington and Winchester tubes cost the same.
(I'm biased toward longer tubes but that's another story
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"I used this one from SMT that is long and came with the tool. It uses Remington chokes which are long as well. My gun doesn't have to look cool or break down doors. It just has to shoot really well.
Muzzle devices - KSG Bullpup Shotgun" -(from above)
I have the same adaptor, as well as a shorter one that SMT makes. Chokes make a big difference if you use the KSG for anything other than short range defense. Even just an improved cylinder (.720) choke will help stabilize slugs and buckshot. Another advantage of the long adaptor is that it will meet the minimum barrel length requirement at most gun ranges...
Edit: Oops, actually I lied...my shorter adaptor is the Hi-Tech one shown in the link above.....
Muzzle devices - KSG Bullpup Shotgun" -(from above)
I have the same adaptor, as well as a shorter one that SMT makes. Chokes make a big difference if you use the KSG for anything other than short range defense. Even just an improved cylinder (.720) choke will help stabilize slugs and buckshot. Another advantage of the long adaptor is that it will meet the minimum barrel length requirement at most gun ranges...
Edit: Oops, actually I lied...my shorter adaptor is the Hi-Tech one shown in the link above.....
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Carlson's makes a gazillion replacement choke tubes for everything. And 47 flavors of each one
The Hi-tech adapter takes "TRULOCK" choke tubes.
Closest match I could find was TRU-CHOKE tubes and I don't think they are the same:headstratch:.
KT's choke adapter takes Winchester/Mossberg tubes:
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SMT's choke adapters take Remington tubes which are longer:
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Both the Remington and Winchester tubes cost the same.
(I'm biased toward longer tubes but that's another story
Blake, the trulock choke set that came with my Hi-Tech set are Remington compatible. They are TruLock chokes but with the Rem thread. They can be had in short (flush) or extended versions. Any Rem-choke compatible chokes will work with both the long SMT adaptor and the Hi-Tech. Make sure not to get Remington Pro-Bore Choke threads, those are different....
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For clarification, here are the two adaptors I have that both take remington chokes:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SALE-30-OFF...279201?hash=item25b92943a1:g:p4cAAOSwBahVWn2z
and
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kel-Tec-KSG...256554?hash=item4aeddce4aa:g:0sYAAOSw~gRVt~Za
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SALE-30-OFF...279201?hash=item25b92943a1:g:p4cAAOSwBahVWn2z
and
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kel-Tec-KSG...256554?hash=item4aeddce4aa:g:0sYAAOSw~gRVt~Za
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Thanks for clearing that up. I was puzzled because Carlson's carries tubes for EVERYTHING on the planet.
I guess "Trulock" is a short version of a Remington tube.
The main point:
Adding a choke adapter to a KSG makes it much more versatile:rayof:.
(regardless whether it's Ford, Chevy or Dodge
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QUOTE:
The main point:
Adding a choke adapter to a KSG makes it much more versatile:rayof:.
(regardless whether it's Ford, Chevy or Dodge)[/QUOTE]
Yes it does! I wouldn't shoot without a choke any more. I normally have an Improved Cylinder installed, and I carry a Modified in the storage of my vertical grip and a Full in my KSG pistol grip....They weigh almost nothing and I can switch chokes in just a few seconds.
The main point:
Adding a choke adapter to a KSG makes it much more versatile:rayof:.
(regardless whether it's Ford, Chevy or Dodge
)[/QUOTE]Yes it does! I wouldn't shoot without a choke any more. I normally have an Improved Cylinder installed, and I carry a Modified in the storage of my vertical grip and a Full in my KSG pistol grip....They weigh almost nothing and I can switch chokes in just a few seconds.
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