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"Why 1000 lm? This one is 300 lm and lights up the room! Way more than enough to identify a possible target. And still bright enough to blind the subject. Which IMO is all you need for home defense."

Agreed. I run 350 lm and I still get a sight picture out to 15yds. No wires to snag either, just a pushbutton base. Simple wins.
 

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The red dot for me is go-to in HD. It comes on with motion so it’s ready to go without button-fumbling when I bring the gun up. If I have time I’ll turn on the flashlight and/or green laser, if needed, and actually, contrary to common belief, most red dots are designed/intended for CQB of 25 yards or less and in my case it’s 20 feet or less. It won’t miss. It’s sighted in with a laser bore sight. Should be good to go. Additionally, you mentioned just pointing in general direction if dot fails, the rail I have has a valley just 1/8” above the rear sight tab. I can still look down the mostly unobstructed channel and see the front factory sight even with the red dot mounted. If all else fails. If you want the Ebay link for that rail I can look it up.

Don't trust that laser bore sighter. I mean it will be close I guess, if close is good enough. It was a good 4" off when I zero'd mine. Get a handful of slugs and put a piece of plywood out about 20 yards and paint a 2" circle on it. Then zero the red dot. Then line your BUIS up with the dot.

FWIW, I have a Romeo 5 Compact on my KSG25. I paid $113 for it, it's shake awake and after several hundred rounds it's still right where I put it. And I would avoid any laser/light combos, particularly the " Affordable" ones.
 

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I’m gonna sight it in at 10 yards. Should be pretty close for HD buckshot at inside the home distances. That’s all I need it for.
If you sight it in further out do you know how much you'll be off at 10 yards? Not enough to quibble about. It's good to pattern it out a bit so that you can see what you have just in case it's ever needed.

Also, if you sight it in using shot is it really sighted in at all? Personally I would sight it in with slugs at maybe 50 yards and the shot column is going to be "right there" at the range you'll use it at. If you sight it in at 10 yards you could be off at 50. I know you don't anticipate a 50 yard shot, but things happen that we don't control.

Case in point, there is a thread from a gent who lives on the CA coast. He never anticipated needing his sub2k until the center of town was destroyed in a riot. Stuff happens. People have homeowners insurance not thinking the worst will happen but in case it does. I can go on and on. My point is to not deliberately limit your options. If you need it it's not a sporting event and points aren't given for a 2nd place finish. Sighting it in at distance costs virtually nothing, a box of slugs at most and you'lllearn what the gun is capable of with them. I know you'll never need them, but you might want to keep a bunch of them on hand. The country is becoming a very dangerous place and in a month it might not be recognizable. It's just a potential and not definite. But ammo doesn't go bad for over 100 years if it's stored properly. I'm shooting .22 that I bought 50 years ago. Yeah, really.

I shoot competition with a PCC (pistol caliber carbine) and I sight it in at 50 yards and have never regretted it even though I have yet to see a target at that distance. Why? I know that the bullet doesn't cross my line of sight until it gets out to 50 yards. That's close enough for home defense also. 10 Yards with buckshot? You got that, and will have confidence that you do.

But it's your gun and ammo you do what you want with it.

FWIW, for hunting I always sighted my slug guns in at 75 yards and knew where they hit at 100. I would get 3" groups @ 100 and that was good enough for deer even though I never had any intention of trading in my rifle for a shotgun. But I had the option.

It's late, I'm rambling, I need sleep.
 

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I sighted my KSG25 in at 20 yards. It's purely a defense tool for me. I suggested 20 yards for the KS7, for the same reasons BJK pointed out. That is if you have it sighted in at 20-30 yards you are still going to be damn close at 10 yards, but it won't work that way in reverse. Personally I think 50 yards is too far for a tiny little shotgun like a KS7, which I would never use as a slug hunting shotgun, but that's just me.


Totally agree about sighting in with slugs. Patterning shotguns is for hunting with birdshot. And frankly it's more work than is necessary to zero a red dot on a tactical shotgun.
 

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It fits perfect! Per dfariswheel’s suggestion I got a AR carry handle rail and mounted it. It needed a little bigger hole drilled in the handle where the handle mounting screw access hole is. And you can still see the factory fiber sight. It’s a little longer than I would have liked but oh well. And I think the knob is kinda gaudy, I’m probably gonna replace that with a hex head screw and washer to make it a little lower profile. Other that that it’s perfect. Now deciding which red dot to get......... I’m not gonna put a lot of money into one. Thanks for the suggestion worked out well.
I love this ingenuity and would like to try this as well. I'm cross eye dominant and the factory sights are challenging for me to use without either shooting lefty or closing my left eye shooting righty. Wanted to add a red dot but still keep the handle which your solution allows. Would you mind sharing where you purchased the AR carry handle mount from and what length you used?
 

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I love this ingenuity and would like to try this as well. I'm cross eye dominant and the factory sights are challenging for me to use without either shooting lefty or closing my left eye shooting righty. Wanted to add a red dot but still keep the handle which your solution allows. Would you mind sharing where you purchased the AR carry handle mount from and what length you used?
Not sure where rs_worthington got theirs, but I bought this from Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MUXX6UN/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I had to slightly enlarge the hole on the carry handle, but it fit perfectly, otherwise. I mounted a SeeAll tritium sight. It really works well with the carry handle and the additional rail height - visually, at least.

Unfortunately, my KS7 continues to give me feeding problems, so it's going back to KT this week.
 

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Not sure where rs_worthington got theirs, but I bought this from Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MUXX6UN/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I had to slightly enlarge the hole on the carry handle, but it fit perfectly, otherwise. I mounted a SeeAll tritium sight. It really works well with the carry handle and the additional rail height - visually, at least.

Unfortunately, my KS7 continues to give me feeding problems, so it's going back to KT this week.
Thank you. I was looking at that one on Amazon as well.
 

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I’m gonna sight it in at 10 yards. Should be pretty close for HD buckshot at inside the home distances. That’s all I need it for.
just looked at optics world for the Wrath sight and on sale for $49. also sounds like the sleep mode is reduced batter not completely off. any idea on what battery life really will be?
by the way i ordered one and used that Honey app and got another buck off... it should arrive about the time the little rail handle mount arrives($8.99 no shipping off ebay)
 
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just looked at optics world for the Wrath sight and on sale for $49. also sounds like the sleep mode is reduced batter not completely off. any idea on what battery life really will be?
by the way i ordered one and used that Honey app and got another buck off... it should arrive about the time the little rail handle mount arrives($8.99 no shipping off ebay)
Hi, that’s a great price, I paid $67 for it, my Wraith still has the first battery in it, it’s been on my KS7 since middle of June, I don’t handle it every day, but I do occasionally work on it, fine tune it, clean it, and take it to the range every so often and I leave it on the shake-awake, and the battery seems fine so far. I have an extra battery in my bag when it goes out. If it goes out at a bad time, I still have the laser. And the factory sight.
 
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Not sure where rs_worthington got theirs, but I bought this from Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MUXX6UN/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I had to slightly enlarge the hole on the carry handle, but it fit perfectly, otherwise. I mounted a SeeAll tritium sight. It really works well with the carry handle and the additional rail height - visually, at least.

Unfortunately, my KS7 continues to give me feeding problems, so it's going back to KT this week.
Post pics? Pls elaborate on the feeding problems?
 

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Not sure where rs_worthington got theirs, but I bought this from Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MUXX6UN/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I had to slightly enlarge the hole on the carry handle, but it fit perfectly, otherwise. I mounted a SeeAll tritium sight. It really works well with the carry handle and the additional rail height - visually, at least.

Unfortunately, my KS7 continues to give me feeding problems, so it's going back to KT this week.
I was too cheep to buy this one so got the $8 one but it has angled sides to mate with the slope of the AR carry handle that I had to "machine " off. I had made a nice ghost ring rear sight i didn't want to lose so i trimmed a 1/2" off the rear of the rail to clear it. I don't know about the amazon rail but this one was narrower than the groove in the KS7 handle so I did a quick JB weld bed job to fit it in. When the red dot comes in i'll see how good of an alignment job I did with the bedding. Optic world price was really good but delivery will not be till late in october.
 

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Post pics? Pls elaborate on the feeding problems?
Ask and ye shall receive....

My KS7 has had all kinds of issue with FTF, FTE, sticky mag tube, etc. I tried to alleviate the stuck shells in the chamber by polishing, but it's so tight, that I can't even get a hone in there, no matter what polish or lube I try. Same goes for a bore brush. I've had it since last year (mine is the first one posted here). I just haven't had a whole lot of time to work with it. So instead of spinning my wheels it's going back to KT tomorrow.

 

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My KS7 has had all kinds of issue with FTF, FTE, sticky mag tube, etc. I tried to alleviate the stuck shells in the chamber by polishing, but it's so tight, that I can't even get a hone in there, no matter what polish or lube I try. Same goes for a bore brush. I've had it since last year (mine is the first one posted here). I just haven't had a whole lot of time to work with it. So instead of spinning my wheels it's going back to KT tomorrow.
...tight how? I ask because the entire chamber and barrel drops right off as part of normal field stripping so you should just have a bare tube to manhandle to work on the chamber at least. If even a 12-gauge bore brush or bore mop won't fit then that's likely the cause of all of your issues for sure and sounds like you got a particularly gnarly case of overly thick finish gumming up the works.
 

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...tight how? I ask because the entire chamber and barrel drops right off as part of normal field stripping so you should just have a bare tube to manhandle to work on the chamber at least. If even a 12-gauge bore brush or bore mop won't fit then that's likely the cause of all of your issues for sure and sounds like you got a particularly gnarly case of overly thick finish gumming up the works.
BINGO!
 

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It fits perfect! Per dfariswheel’s suggestion I got a AR carry handle rail and mounted it. It needed a little bigger hole drilled in the handle where the handle mounting screw access hole is. And you can still see the factory fiber sight. It’s a little longer than I would have liked but oh well. And I think the knob is kinda gaudy, I’m probably gonna replace that with a hex head screw and washer to make it a little lower profile. Other that that it’s perfect. Now deciding which red dot to get......... I’m not gonna put a lot of money into one. Thanks for the suggestion worked out well.
Which AR rail did you get? I want to mount some kind of sight as well and I also like the carry handle. And did you need a drill press to enlarge the screw hole, or were you able to do it with a hand drill?
 

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Which AR rail did you get? I want to mount some kind of sight as well and I also like the carry handle. And did you need a drill press to enlarge the screw hole, or were you able to do it with a hand drill?
No need for a drill press, just a quick hit with a hand drill did the trick. See my pics above. I bought my rail from Amazon.

You can still use the fiber optic front sight with the rail attached.
 
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