[TxCajun]

I got this PM from fellow KTOGer and LCP guru/moderator Kraigster with a cautionalry tail on this ammo.  My reply follows.

Hi Tex.  'Just wanted to advise that we got a preliminary report of a major failure (kaboom) in an LCP using Matech +P Guardian Gold Ammo.  The cause has not been determined but it appears ammo related.  You might want to alert the troops at ktog.org of a potential safety issue.  Best, Rich (kraigster414).  PS: Have you heard of any problems with this ammo before?

http://elsiepeaforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=2435.0

Hey Rich -

I can't recall any k-boom issues with that ammo although I have heard of several issues relating to QC with Magtech in general.  For instance, IIRC, someone chronoed some once and got inconsistent readings ( fairly wide variances).  I think I may have seen a magtech round that was undercharged or not charged and resulted in a sqibb too.  Of course that can happen with just about any ammo but generally speaking, I don't think it's great stuff.

I would assume that the KB was likely ammo related.  Over the years, we have seen a couple in P3ATs.  The design is pretty sturdy and they are not likely to blow up for no good reason.  I assume that the gun channeled the energy mostly away from the shooter and hope that no one was injured as a result.  In the couple of P3ATs I've seen, the blown gun perfromed/failed as designed with the over-pressured round - that is no one was really hurt.  That's got to be scary as hell for the shooter.  I'm sure that regardless of the cause, Ruger will replace the gun.  I will pass the word of warning on the ammo.

Thanks -
dale



Magtech Guardian Gold +P 380 - We report - you decide.  :-?

 

[billjohnso20]

I've had inconstant performance from Magtech FMJ ammo. It is so bad none of the rounds were accurate. Now I do admit that as a hand loader, I really like their primers. I use them for all my hand loads
and have never had an issue with them. Every round has touched off just as it should. I will not be purchasing any of their SD ammo though. I like my P3AT and LCP too much to blow them up.

 

[pocketgun]

A few more and hopefully Ruger will go back to the ugly, clunky autos they are so well known for...

 

[artimus_prime]

Oh great. :-/ That's my carry ammo. Got it cheap and bulk. I fire off usually one mag of the stuff every range session. No squibs, light strikes, or pressure variations that I have noticed as of yet.

 

[KelTex78]

My test shooting MagTech First Defense showed a 4" difference in penetration between the two rounds I fired... I have started carrying the Golden Sabers since the MagTechs performed fairly poorly in the test.

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1237663894

 

[pocketgun]

Photos posted then removed (over there). Until I see pics of the barrel, I am going to blame the LCP, not Magtech ammo. Thousands of rounds downrange with Magtech and the P-3AT, and at least two boxes of Guardian Gold - no problems, and never an account anywhere of a burst barrel with Magtech GG in a P-3AT that I have read of.

Doesn't sound like Ruger is going to repair/replace it under warranty, does it? No such thing as "+P" in .380ACP according to SAAMI, the folks who decide such things. Ammo manufactured in foreign countries is verboten too? LMFAO. Way to stand behind a product! They should stamp "USA made ammo only" on the frame if it isn't fully .380ACP compliant. What a joke.

kraigster414 has been subtly condescending toward Kel-Tecs for years, and I distrust him and his motives. Now his LCP problem is a Kel-Tec problem? How very thoughtful! I think a poor copy is still a poor copy, and too bad for all the suckers who bought a pistol for the turkey on the grip.

Sounds like an Other Guns problem to me.

 

[toddmog]

I don't know about the Guardian Gold, but I shoot blue box Magtech almost exclusively out of my P3AT. IIRC, the gunsmiths for Bersa recommend it for the Thunder .380's as well.

 

[mr_camera_man]

Now I do admit that as a hand loader, I really like their primers. I use them for all my hand loads
and have never had an issue with them.  

I wasn't even aware that they offered primers. I know it's a long shot, but have you seen anyplace that has them in stock? Midway is out with no backorder...