This is for all the Milk-Jug Zombie haters out there! This is a Magtech First Defense round I recovered by firing into jugs of water. It is a 77 GR SCHP fired at close range. The round penetrated 3 one-gallon jugs denting the back of the third jug. That equals 18" of penetration in water; half that would equal 9" of penetration in gelatin. It had opened up to .5" at the widest point. This round was fired third from the magazine so it would have been deformed by the 'smiley', which would explain why two of the petals didn't open exactly as the others. This is the round behind it in the magazine showing the 'smiley' deformation on the nose: Based on the data on stoppingpower.net, and assuming the 2:1 water/gelatin penetration ratio is (semi)accurate, this round has slightly better penetration but doesn't open as much as the Corbon DPX. That might be a good compromise given the already limited penetration of the .380 in a hollow point. After I empty some more jugs, I would like to repeat the test with a couple of layers of denim over the jugs. Hope eveyone likes the pics!