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Huge K/T fan and been lusting after a CMR-30 since it was the RMR-30. Watched nutnfancy review from last year and he seemed to be having quite a few reliability issues that he attributed to the magazine. At that time it was not steel lined. I just wanted to check in since surely people on KTOG would be the people "in the know" on this matter - have there been any improvements to the PMR/CMR magazines in the last couple years?
 

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If you follow the loading procedures the issues should be few and far between (the mags can also be ammo sensitive). Honestly I can't stand to sit through him talking for 45 minutes to nail down exactly what the issue actually was. Can you share what he claimed the problems were and what ammo he was using? My guns were recently mfg'd so I can't comment on any changes.
 

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If you follow the loading procedures the issues should be few and far between (the mags can also be ammo sensitive). Honestly I can't stand to sit through him talking for 45 minutes to nail down exactly what the issue actually was. Can you share what he claimed the problems were and what ammo he was using? My guns were recently mfg'd so I can't comment on any changes.
He said he was following k-t manual loading procedures but was getting failures to feed from the magazine. had quite a few magazines and most of them had this issue. he tried multiple ammo types and brands.

now its possible he just got unlucky with a bad batch. but i just wanted to hear if KT had made any improvements in magazines since then, or if there are 3rd party mfg's making these mags as well now?
 

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If you do decide to view his you tube on the cmr please notice that he makes a negative type of comment something like "and don't tell me I don't know how to load the magazines". Then later he shows how to load the mags . . . . At which point he loads the magazines incorrectly. It seems to me that he is just one of those arrogant kind of know it all types so I don't spend much time watching his stuff anymore. Maybe his negative review is the reason I was able to find my CMR 30 so easily. It is just a fun, fun ammo eater for me but it's a real keeper. It has replaced my PMR ias my most fun to shoot gun.
 

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Yeah, jumped around and looked at the vid. The only loading I saw he didn't appear to be doing it right. Smacking them on the back of your hand or shoe won't seat the rounds properly. I alway tap them on table flat on the spine, hitting them on anything soft, like your palm, wont stop the mag fast enough to transfer momentum to the rounds. Also he was putting more than 5 rounds it before hitting the mag, as it gets closer to 30 rounds you're supposed to do this every other round, with his editing there's no way of knowing what he actually did.
 

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Yeah, jumped around and looked at the vid. The only loading I saw he didn't appear to be doing it right. Smacking them on the back of your hand or shoe won't seat the rounds properly. I alway tap them on table flat on the spine, hitting them on anything soft, like your palm, wont stop the mag fast enough to transfer momentum to the rounds. Also he was putting more than 5 rounds it before hitting the mag, as it gets closer to 30 rounds you're supposed to do this every other round, with his editing there's no way of knowing what he actually did.
I dont have to start to tap mine until i get close to the 20 round mark. Mine has been perfect to shoot. Even eats junky Armscor 40 gr hollows my PMR refused to shoot. Very happy with the CMR, one of my favs.
 

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There is a learning curve using the PMR & loading the 30 round mags. The first time I loaded mags I had dented cases and maybe 20 rounds in each mag. Of course I had numerous FTF issues. I was used to AR 15 and double stack 9 & 40 mags. There is a reason you don't see double stack 22 rimfire mags. its called rimlock. Kel-tec designed a 22 rimfire double stack mag that works if loaded correctly. Its not brain surgery. Just tap the mag to prevent rimlock. If you can't get a round installed and dent the case you have rimlock. Back up until the rounds go in with denting cases. Tap the mags, it works
 

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Considering with the heel magazine release it's kinda hard to drop when it's going right into your palm. I think weighted aluminum baseplates would be a better option for mag protection if that was the main concern.
 

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EB1911,

Thanks for your feedback. Its greatly appreciated. We understand and respect they may not satisfy everyones requirements and that they may not be your cup of tea. However please know we did do our homework. We surveyed a number of CMR and PMR 30 owners in our Beta program. The number one complaint (which weren't many!) was that they would accidentally press the magazine release mid strings. This was our first requirement because that can never happen in a self defense situation and at the very least is very annoying at the range.

We used Zytel because its an amazing material and to many is a wonder plastic due to its impact resistance. It will not ding up like aluminum while hitting rocks/hard surfaces and has the bonus properties of high heat and chemical resistance. This is why you are seeing more and more firearms being made with this awesome material or clone equivalents.

While adding an extra guard to the heel release (without interfering with operation), we decided to apply what we learned from other firearms we support. Extra ergonomic material for secure magazine lock is always welcomed. Its amazing what a little extra material can do to to ensure confidence of a secure lock. This is why you are seeing companies like Springfield now building up their magazine bases on their pistols.

If you have suggestions on any new products for the CMR-30/PMR-30 we would welcome your thoughts. We love these platforms and they are products of love for us. We believe with some aftermarket support we can help Kel-Tec accelerate their momentum around them!

So take a chance and put some TK in your KT!

Best,

Bryan
Business Development Director
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"Making good guns great!"






Considering with the heel magazine release it's kinda hard to drop when it's going right into your palm. I think weighted aluminum baseplates would be a better option for mag protection if that was the main concern.
 

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking the product it's just not something I was looking for and I'm sure it's well made. Like I said options are always good, keep up the good work!
 
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