[JimC]

Hi everyone,

Before I ask, I want to tell you that I looked through all of the sub porn threads (took a while) and did not find what I was looking for. There were a couple pictures of what I am thinking, but no information on brand, etc.

I am looking for a laser to mount on my 1st gen sub2000. I want it to be small enough to mount to the barrel on the bottom side and in front of the fore stock. I do not want it to be obtrusive, I would like to keep the total distance that it hangs down to a minimum. I also do not want it to interfere with the folding action of the gun.

I am not into the Rambo style weapons, I like this Sub for what it is, and what it does, and want to change it as little as possible. I am mostly looking for target acquisition in low light situations. Just like most everyone else, money IS an object, less than $100 is a must.

Any ideas?
Anyone done this successfully? if so, what did you use?

Thanks,
Jim

 

[Retired1]

Hi, Jim

I use the Streamlight TLR4 on my Gen 1 and Gen 2 Sub2000s. They are really small and have a laser and light in combination I have the TLR-4G green laser on my Gen 1 and the TLR-4 red laser on my Gen 2 (I use the red laser because the sight on my Gen 2 has a green dot and I can easily co-witness them). The lights are bright enough to reach to the edges of my front yard which is 40 yards by 50 yards and let me see if anything is lurking about. Inside the house, they are excellent to identify a target and move about without being overly bright. They have a 3 way switch: light only, laser only, and light & laser.

Walmart has the best price for new ones I have found at $108 (which I know is over your budget, but I have found used ones, in excellent condition for well under $100. There is one on eBay right now at $80, or make offer, with free shipping from a reputable seller).
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Streamli...R-4-Securely-Lithium-battery.-Boxed./23247157

:nopics:

So, here they are:

This is my Gen 2. I cannot get to my Gen 1 right now). The TLR-4G is mounted the same on my Gen 1 as both have RLP fore ends.. They mount to any Picatinny rail having 3 slots available.








There are other manufacturers making similar products. Truglo is one (and they can be found new for about $70 with a light & red laser combo)..

 

[MarkCO]

I have the TLR4 and the Crimson Trace Railmaster Pro.

While the Pro is a little smaller, and I like it a little more, it is too easy to bump on with the paddle switch. So it is on my RDB. The TLR4 is on my folded Sub2000.

 

[MarkCO]

FTR, I did see the OP only asked about a laser...to me, a laser is not very useful without a white light for ID as well. Why both units I suggested have white light as well.

I do have ARs and pistols with independent lasers and white lights, but the pistols are set up so that I only have to toggle one and the gripping activates the other.

 

[Retired1]

FTR, I did see the OP only asked about a laser...to me, a laser is not very useful without a white light for ID as well. Why both units I suggested have white light as well.

I do have ARs and pistols with independent lasers and white lights, but the pistols are set up so that I only have to toggle one and the gripping activates the other.

I did the same. I will not use a laser by itself, without a white light, on a personal protection carbine at my bedside. I have independent lasers and much higher powered lights, but I use those for different purposes. I showed what I use on my sub2000s.

 

[3wbdriver]

Per the OP's description request.

First option on this page fits under the forearm.

https://www.keltecweapons.com/rifles/sub-2000#accessories

This is as low profile laser only as you can get while still maintaining decent quality.

https://www.amazon.com/Tactical-Uni...308306&sr=1-26&keywords=picatinny+laser+sight

I personally agree with the above statements. A light/laser combo is better, especially in low light conditions. A laser by itself will not allow you to identify your target.

 

[JimC]

Thanks for the reply's,
I understand that adding a rail to the bottom of the forearm is the normal way to mount one. I was hoping to find something that mounted to the barrel in front of the forearm so I did not have the extra mass hanging from the front of the forearm itself. I am dreaming about something along the lines of what 3Wbdriver linked to, but with a barrel mount instead of a rail mount.

If I can't find what I am looking for, I will settle for something similar to what you have described, (Or do nothing) I really want to keep the minimalist features of the weapon in tact.

Thanks again,
Jim

 

[Retired1]

I believe this is what you are looking for.



Length: 1.2 inch
Width: 1.4 inch
Barrel Range: Diameter.51"-.78"

They are a UTG product. These are about $10 on eBay.

I will not use one myself, for fear of marring a barrel.
However, if it is what you want......................it may work for you.

 

[3wbdriver]

Thanks for the reply's,
I understand that adding a rail to the bottom of the forearm is the normal way to mount one. I was hoping to find something that mounted to the barrel in front of the forearm so I did not have the extra mass hanging from the front of the forearm itself. I am dreaming about something along the lines of what 3Wbdriver linked to, but with a barrel mount instead of a rail mount.

If I can't find what I am looking for, I will settle for something similar to what you have described, (Or do nothing) I really want to keep the minimalist features of the weapon in tact.

Thanks again,
Jim

That rail on the Kel-tec page is only 1.5 - 2" long with one notch. It's actually about the same size if not smaller than any barrel clamp mount you may find. I'm not pushing you to get it but it tucks into and under the nose of the forearm and does not affect folding. That's the rail with a light mounted below.

 

[haugrdr]

JimC...check the front bottom of the lower Gen1 rifle. You can hardly see it. That's the little rail 3wb is speaking of.

 

[3wbdriver]

Another view.

 

[TSB]

I was hoping to find something that mounted to the barrel in front of the forearm so I did not have the extra mass hanging from the front of the forearm itself.

Something like these, maybe? http://amzn.to/2jrZV9t

This one comes with a barrel mount. http://amzn.to/2jhC5K8
This might fit the laser closer to the barrel and says it fits .410 barrels (gen1 barrel is .565"). http://amzn.to/2jhHpgt

 

[wanderson]

I had the UTG barrel clamp rail and a TLR-4 light/laser mounted to an AK pistol for about a year with no loss of zero @ 25 yards. The TLR-4 is on my SUB2k now and still going strong.

Barrel clamps are not my first choice for mounting a laser but the UTG was cheap and is still holding up well.

 

[JimC]

Thanks guys,

I ended up buying the barrel clamp like Retired1 suggested. I also bought two smaller laser sights,. One a small flashlight type that hangs slightly below the bottom of the forearm. The other, a smaller one is in the pictures below. So far I like how it turned out, it is pretty much like I had hoped.

Time will tell how the cheap lasers hold up.I have it sighted in at about 25 yards with a bore laser sight. The question is will it hold zero and hold up to the firing.

Thanks, Jim

PS, Retired1, and am also a retired LEO (Wisconsin)

 

[TSB]

Nice and slim. Which lasers were they?

 

[wanderson]

Not sure what brand the OP has but the one mounted on my AK looks identical and is made by Bellishi. There's a dozen different companies all copying the same design.

If yours is like mine the adjustment screws will be loose and not hold zero. But a little dab of loctite blue fixed mine. The laser isn't as bright as the TLR-4 but it was only $20 on Amazon vs $100 for the TLR-4.

 

[JimC]

TSB

Nice and slim. Which lasers were they?

Sorry for the delay,
The mount is the UTG single rail barrel mount, very stable and locks extremely tight sells on Amazon for $13

The laser mounted in the pictures is the TWOD red dot also from Amazon, sells for $13

I also bought a VOKUL pen light type laser from Amazon, it mounts to the same mount and it sells for $11

Like I said before, I like the end result, but only time will tell if they hold up. If not, I am not out much money so I will just look for better alternatives.

Jim