This is good to know. I was thinking of getting the KSG choke adapter but if I can hunt by just using different ammo (any particular kind you had success with?) that might be preferable. Everyone usually says to use 24"+ barrels with improved or modified chokes for most upland birds and small game, but few have probably tried it this way.Why does anyone need a longer shotgun barrel for hunting? Please bear with me.
I ask because for years I hunted with an 18" barrel and did just fine. I stipulated when I had it cut back to remove all traces of the choke because with modern wads and shot protectors they "up" the choke at least to the next choke constriction. But without any added constriction. That meant that for patterning, while I had a cylinder bore it behaved like an Imp' cyl'. And since the barrel was so short and the choke so open it was deadly on upland game. I used another shotgun with a similar cut down barrel (having proven the idea on the 1st shotgun I had so modified), but I had it modified for choke tubes and it patterned as it should have when a choke tube was installed. I just needed to remember to swing through since the muzzle mass wasn't there to enforce follow through. But that's just training.
Problems with the short barrel, other than follow through? If I wasn't thinking, just reacting, I could turn a bird into a cloud of feathers and did more than once. It was extremely fast.
Short answer first... if you're in tight cover taking close shots a tight choke is a detriment to success. It has to do with pattern density and pattern diameter. An open choke is fine as long as where one hunts the shell has enough shot for a dense enough pattern when the shot column opens up. The pattern can be made denser by using a shell with more and/or smaller shot.This is good to know. I was thinking of getting the KSG choke adapter but if I can hunt by just using different ammo (any particular kind you had success with?) that might be preferable. Everyone usually says to use 24"+ barrels with improved or modified chokes for most upland birds and small game, but few have probably tried it this way.
Yeah, I'm gonna grab an Ithaca 37 for a hunting shotgun once they're back in stock everywhere. But I like stuff to be versatile for SHTF purposes, so it'd be good to be able to use the KS7 for hunting if necessary.Quite frankly, and speaking as someone who has been breeding dogs and bird hunting over 40 years now, KelTec doesn’t make a shotgun I would pick for upland birds. There’s a reason why Citoris don’t come with 18” barrels.
There are guys who can successfully hunt big bucks with a .22 Magnum. I’m pretty sure I could. Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should.
Just me I guess. I’ll stick with one of my old double barrels.
I assume that 12" barrel experiment was prior to the 1934 National Firearms Act.Years ago the NRA American Rifleman Dope Bag technical staff did a study on what effect barrel length had on shotgun performance.
They got a Marlin bolt action Goose Gun with a 36 inch barrel.
They began cutting the barrel down in one inch increments and mounting a choke tube.
Then they fired the gun for pattern and velocity.
They continued cutting the barrel down one inch at a time and re-mounting the choke until they were down to 12 inches.
According to the tests done by The Box Of Truth (love those guys), the length of the barrel didn't result in any change to the pattern, which was only a function of the choke, but longer barrels did increase velocity on a shotgun.What they found was........
1. Barrel length has no effect at all on patterns.
An 18 inch barrel will pattern just as well as a 36 inch barrel.
It's the choke that determines the pattern, not the barrel length.
2. There was little difference in velocity in barrels from 18 inches to 28 inches.
In fact, when the barrel gets over about 28 inches velocity began to drop due to friction....
I've got my Grandfather's Winchester 1897 take down 12 guage pump. Worn completely out. One of the barrels is cut down from a bent barrel & has a front sight brazed off center by about an 1/16 inch.Yup, I used a short SxS for many years for upland game. It told the gunsmith to cut it back far enough to get rid of all the choke. It was absolutely unsporting on upland game.
Today with shot protecting wads a cyl' bore is basically imp' cyl'. That works for all chokes, just increase to the next tighter choke with modern ammo. All ammo sold today uses shot protectors as far as I know. but it's still absolutely deadly on upland game if one is even remotely practiced at wingshooting. Too, one needs to pay attention to pattern density.I've got my Grandfather's Winchester 1897 take down 12 guage pump. Worn completely out. One of the barrels is cut down from a bent barrel & has a front sight brazed off center by about an 1/16 inch.
He used it during the Depression to hunt dove & such for the table & selling in town. Unsporting? Yep.
Question... how does the whole barrel get replaced or is it just the tip that gets extended and is there a how to video or steps. I have a ks7 18 in barrel
If you look at the various manual's available as PDF's from the KelTec website for the KSG, KSG25, and KS7, you'll see that the KSG25 simply has a longer barrel. So the entire barrel would be replaced, it's not a screw-on extension or anything. And it's not currently (yet) available, as they can't even keep up with normal orders for existing designs. So no new designs are coming out currently as a result.Question... how does the whole barrel get replaced or is it just the tip that gets extended and is there a how to video or steps. I have a ks7 18 in barrel