Ka-Boom!

Discussion in 'P-3AT' started by z71silverado98, Apr 17, 2008.

  1. JFB

    JFB New Member

    Jul 25, 2005

  2. paulpetricas

    paulpetricas New Member

    306
    Oct 5, 2007
    are you OK?
    what ammo were you using?
    how many rounds through the gun? was a stock gun?
    provide more info
    i just had one with a p-40
     
  3. Curt32

    Curt32 New Member

    Feb 24, 2007
    Say what are the tell tail signs of a squib, so that you know what to look for that way you wouldn't fire the nx possibly fatal round. Thanks

    Tom j.
     
  4. KelTekCajun

    KelTekCajun New Member

    May 11, 2006
    Acadiana
    Say what are the tell tail signs of a squib, so that you know what to look for that way you wouldn't fire the nx possibly fatal round. Thanks

    Tom j.[/quote]

    One of the big keys in detecting a squib is to listen to your shots fired. All of your rounds should pretty sound exactly the same. If  you are shooting rounds that sound normal, then you have one that sounds muffled or not as loud then you could possibly have a squib. Once  you hear that, STOP SHOOTING!!! Inspect your firearm by either removing the barrel from the slide or locking the slide back and passing a cleaning rod completely through the barrel from muzzle to chamber. If you cannot see through the barrel or pass the rod completely through, then you have a squib round that is lodged.

    Another thing to consider is if you hear a very noticable difference in the sound volume between rounds, I would cease shooting that box of ammo. Set it to the side, and consider it a bad batch. It's better to loose 10 bucks or so by discarding a box of ammo than facing possible injury and destruction of your gun by using suspect ammo.

    I hope this helps you out, Tom.

    Jason
     
  5. artimus_prime

    artimus_prime New Member

    Nov 18, 2007
    Central FL
    Also, as long as you don't completely suck with your firearm, you won't see a new hole on paper! :D
     
  6. Curt32

    Curt32 New Member

    Feb 24, 2007
    Thanks Keltec Cajun say how about mussel flip seems like you wouldn't have a pronounced mussel flip if the bullet didn't exit the barrel.

    Tom j
     
  7. KelTekCajun

    KelTekCajun New Member

    May 11, 2006
    Acadiana
    Muzzle flip is something else that definitely needs to be considered, as well bullet holes in targets as Artimus stated. I participate in USPSA events 6-10 times a year, and I am conscious of sound more than muzzle flip or bullet holes when I am competing. Many competitive shooters listen to their shots as a way to keep track of shot count. I am sure everyone is different, but sound is what I have trained myself to be most alerted towards.
     
  8. Curt32

    Curt32 New Member

    Feb 24, 2007
    Only problem with me is I wear so much hearing protection at the range I'm not sure I would notice a difference, unless it was really pronounced.

    Tom j.
     
  9. KelTekCajun

    KelTekCajun New Member

    May 11, 2006
    Acadiana
    That's the thing, the difference will be very pronounced if you encounter a squib round.
     
  10. lcdrdanr

    lcdrdanr Active Member

    Nov 4, 2004
    My considered opinion is there was definitely an obstruction in the barrel of this gun. Has anyone ever seen a brass case with a piece blown out of it before ? In a 380? I've seen double charged 44's that split, bulged 45's, once put the wrong powder in a 32 H&R mag and split 4 cases in half (but boy were they hot loads!) but I have never seen a shell case with a chunk actually missing before.

    My opinion, something was lodged right up against the bullet when this thing fired and the shell casing had to take the place of the barrel for just a moment.

    Back when the Ruger P85 was being developed, the engineers were screwing around with one and threaded the inside of the barrel, screwed a plug in the end and fired it. The bullet lodged against the plug, the extractor broke but the gun was still functional. They fired another 5,000 rounds through it and then cut half the slide off. another 3,000 rounds and the remaining side of the slide began to show fatigue failure and they retired it. (The rest of the story is that when they told Bill Ruger about it, his comment was "Dammit, I told you I designed it hell for stout, now quit screwing around and get back to work") ;D

    Point of the story is that was a 9mm and the case didn't fail like the one in the photo. I thought a .380 (9mm Corto) is basically a 9mm shortened, same case thickness, same web, etc

    I'm impressed that after seeing these kb's that no one is missing any fingers, eyes, or limbs.

    Dan R
     
  11. adamsesq

    adamsesq New Member

    Dec 25, 2006
    Heck, I can feel the difference between different brands of similar ammo. You can absolutely FEEL a squib load even with good hearing protection.

    -Scott
     
  12. Nakanokalronin

    Nakanokalronin Active Member

    898
    Apr 7, 2007
  13. gvaldeg1

    gvaldeg1 New Member

    152
    Feb 8, 2008
    I'm a little puzzled why Kel-Tec hardens their 4140 steel barrels to 48 HRC.  This makes the steel very hard but brittle.  Most barrel makers harden 4140 to about 22 to 35 Rockwell C which is a compromise between ductility and hardness.  Barrels of this hardness (22 to 35) tend to stretch and "balloon" without the catastrophic failure that occurred here.  Looking at the edges of the failed barrel here, it looks like a failure of an embrittled barrel.  This is just an opinion from looking at the picture and could only be confirmed by having the failed barrel tested at a materials lab.
     
  14. virtual-rj

    virtual-rj New Member

    Jul 22, 2007
    Houston, TX
    electronic amplified earmuffs
     
  15. lcdrdanr

    lcdrdanr Active Member

    Nov 4, 2004
    Excuse me, What was that? I couldn't hear you ? ;D ;D

    Dan R
     
  16. RAT76

    RAT76 Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2006
    Oklahoma
    Problem is my old eyes can't see that tiny hole in papre out past 20 feet or so. Also & this is no kidding I was shooting my .357 Blackhawk at 15 yards or so & couldn't see the dust kicked up on the berm.

    +1 on the electronic muffs. I don't have any but I do have an old pair of earplugs with a sound baffle built in that cuts out at 85 Db. Works great & I don't have a problem shooting my Subbie. DOn't know if they still make them. Trade name Sonic II. Had them for 20 or 30 years.
     
  17. joje

    joje New Member

    213
    Nov 1, 2007
    ive had my fair share of squibbs while developing extremely underloaded gallery rounds. the challange is not to tell the difference between a squibb and a full power load, but to tell the difference between a squibb and a primer that failed to ignite. they are *very* quiet.
     
  18. artimus_prime

    artimus_prime New Member

    Nov 18, 2007
    Central FL
    Sorry Rat! I don't have as many years in the saddle! ;)
     
  19. Curt32

    Curt32 New Member

    Feb 24, 2007
    Partial Quote:I'm impressed that after seeing these kb's that no one is missing any fingers, eyes, or limbs.  

    I AGREE!!   :eek:  ;D  

    Tom j.