[180pilot]

Does anyone have info or evidence of a date when Kel-tec improved the magazines for SU-61? (so I've heard), I have 3 with a very early B model I bought used. When I asked Kel-Tec rep. he would not admit anything wrong with any magazines????
No shooting problems, however when stored in the stock for awhile with 10 rds., I sometimes find top round has popped out and is rattling around in stock? I can't seem to duplicate it popping out by tapping on it etc. when outside the stock?
AlsoWondering if a small chamfered hole can be drilled in metal mags. for the stock detent to engage, holding them in stock, same as "dimple" in plastic ones?

 

[haugrdr]

As far as I know...Kel Tec has never made a mag for the SU-16. MecGar makes the proprietary mags for Kel Tec pistols...I think the only mag that KT actually makes is for the PMR and CMR .22 magnum pistols.

The mags for the SU's are all non Kel Tec made. They are standard AR15/M16 STANAG/NATO mags made by various vendors.

 

[imarangemaster]

While it is true that KelTec SU16s take all STANAG/NATO m16 magazines, actually, the SU-16 comes with two proprietary 10 round all polymer magazines, with "KelTec" molded in the base plate. Considering they appear to be the same polymer mix as the rifle, I would hazard a guess that Kel Tec makes them, too.

I have never used the factory tens. I use an aluminum USGI 30 rounder both in the weapon and in the stock. Never had a round come out of the USGI when in the stock.

 

[180pilot]

Yes, imarangemaster, they are stamped Kel-tec and offered for sale on Keltec sight. And are different in some respects from standard AR- mags.

AR- 15 magazines fit and function but are not held tight in the stock storage slots as they do not have the proprietary dimple for the detents... Nor the alignment rails on there sides. I have aluminum AR-Stoners that function but rattle all over if put in stock storage and are not secure.
I now see they cannot be modified with a dimple because groove in them runs into and above that area..and they have no rail to center them in stock's groove..as the Kel-Tec mags do.
It appears what is happening is that with a full 10 rds. in the mag. those detents can on occasion push against the mag. lips in such a way as to squeeze the top round out as mag is inserted. So far. with only 9 rds. in the mags. this does not happen..But mags. are a little loose in stock with only 9 rds. as cartridge stack is not being compressed as much.

 

[haugrdr]

While it is true that KelTec SU16s take all STANAG/NATO m16 magazines, actually, the SU-16 comes with two proprietary 10 round all polymer magazines, with "KelTec" molded in the base plate. Considering they appear to be the same polymer mix as the rifle, I would hazard a guess that Kel Tec makes them, too.

I have never used the factory tens. I use an aluminum USGI 30 rounder both in the weapon and in the stock. Never had a round come out of the USGI when in the stock.

Kel Tec is a CNC company...they make NO injected molding parts in house. It's all made somewhere else. I've been thru the factory too many times to have missed injection molding machines....they ain't exactly small.

So I would assume the mags are made elsewhere also.

 

[imarangemaster]

I use a 30 in the stock. It makes a difference if you have base rear or bas forward. One way fits better than the other, but I can't remember which.

 

[180pilot]

Lucky you, not being in California...... True, very few manufactures make their own magazines, but in this case they are being made to Kel-Tec specifications with the rib and detent to fit stock wells.

 

[zaitcev]

AlsoWondering if a small chamfered hole can be drilled in metal mags. for the stock detent to engage, holding them in stock, same as "dimple" in plastic ones?

A hole may be possible, but why bother? The CA-compliant 10 round shorties suck anyway. They are longer than factory plastic magazines and I was never able to attach a bottom loop in a satisfactory manner to them. In the end I found it easier to move out from California than to resolve issues with 10-rounders.

 

[imarangemaster]

Lucky you, not being in California...... True, very few manufactures make their own magazines, but in this case they are being made to Kel-Tec specifications with the rib and detent to fit stock wells.

Actually I am in California. I have pre-ban (pre-2000) mags for my AR and AK (I am 64 years old). I even had an original Colt SP1 and Chinese AK that I registered in the 1990 ban. All my mags go back to the 70s, 80s, and 90s, as I had 7 years Military and 22 years LEO career.

The new laws suck, because they ban ALL high cap mags, no matter when you got them. It is, however, only an infraction (like expired registration on a vehicle) to have one after 1-1-2017, with a small fine ($100).

Law Enforcement, both California and Federal (active and retired), are exempt, as is Military (active). While I am fortunate I get to keep mine because I am a retired LEO, I think the law is stupid, and I feel bad for those who have them. If I weren't retired LEO, and subject to the ban, I'd just use 10s in public and keep the 30s in the safe. Worst thing that could happen is getting a ticket for them.

 

[180pilot]

73 yrs.old; Vietnam Vet, ARMY, 31 yrs. first responder, and have grandfathered mags for other things. For my use, 10 rds. are plenty, for all my platforms, unless all out war ensues.

It is imperative that every CA. voter/ gun owner get to a gun shop that has the 8 petitions to get the new laws put on the Nov. ballot to reverse them, now. This has always been the problem here, if we could just get all gun owners to vote, this wouldn't be happening.

If laws prevail, disassembling mags into parts avoids any conflict with proposed current law. And, removing all evil features from AR. avoids it also. Time to fight not run.

 

[imarangemaster]

73 yrs.old; Vietnam Vet, ARMY, 31 yrs. first responder, and have grandfathered mags for other things. For my use, 10 rds. are plenty, for all my platforms, unless all out war ensues.

It is imperative that every CA. voter/ gun owner get to a gun shop that has the 8 petitions to get the new laws put on the Nov. ballot to reverse them, now. This has always been the problem here, if we could just get all gun owners to vote, this wouldn't be happening.

If laws prevail, disassembling mags into parts avoids any conflict with proposed current law. And, removing all evil features from AR. avoids it also. Time to fight not run.

I signed all eight petitions last week! AMEN!