IF there was a recoil spring,but there aint

Discussion in 'P-3AT' started by JFB, May 25, 2008.

  1. JFB

    JFB New Member

    Jul 25, 2005
    After a discussion in the P32 section concerning the interchangablity of springs between the P32 and P3AT, the ideal of extra power recoil springs was mentioned.  There is an exotic spring design I like, but when I checked a year ago, the size for a recoil spring was not possible.  from their website now, they might have expanded manufacturing ability to make one that would work.  Before I contact them about making one, I would like to have some opinions on what would be needed

    The spring type is "flat wire crest wave" and its advantage is a long spring with a very small solid lenght.  also the wave configuration and wire profile can be change.  A HUGE improvement over the traditional wire compression

    to me, the technology should be looked into by KT
     
  2. pocketgun

    pocketgun New Member

    May 4, 2005
    Re: IF there was a recoil spring,what would you wa

    I would want a 16 and 17 pound springs so I could match them to my carry ammo, especially the hot stuff like Buffalo Bore and DoubleTap. I can always switch back to the factory units when shooting range ammo like UMC or Magtech FMJ.
     

  3. EchoKilo

    EchoKilo New Member

    31
    Jun 24, 2007
    Re: IF there was a recoil spring,what would you wa

    I'm not even remotely a gunsmith, so I have no idea about the fine details on the matter. But considering how far my casings are thrown, I would assume that there is plenty of room for a heavier spring. I'd buy one.
     
  4. JFB

    JFB New Member

    Jul 25, 2005
    Re: IF there was a recoil spring,what would you wa

    Ok the 16# at full recoil, OK...Do you have any feel if the spring should be stronger at the initial travel?
     
  5. TxCajun

    TxCajun Administrator Staff Member Supporter

    Sep 7, 2004
    Texas
    Re: IF there was a recoil spring,what would you wa

    I think the P3AT springs are about 12.5 lbs.

    From Wolf Gun Springs:
    Based on these, I'd guess about 15 - 17 lbs would cover it.


    Maybe, if it doesn't screw up the timing.  Use of stronger springs might speed things up and require extra strength mag springs as well.  
     
  6. pocketgun

    pocketgun New Member

    May 4, 2005
    Re: IF there was a recoil spring,what would you wa

    Ok the 16# at full recoil, OK...Do you have any feel if the spring should be stronger at the initial travel?
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    After that first few millimeters, the whole assembly is going to stop when the lock asserts itself anyway. It might reduce some wear and tear on the locking area on top of the barrel and the part of the slide it contacts. I have never had a problem in this area, even with worn stock springs. I suspect there is so much recoil force in the first few millimeters that the no spring (within reason) is going to make a big difference - it is going to be up to the mechanism.

    Edited to add: I was thinking the 16# model would be a good match to CorBon DPX with its light 80 gr bullet, as well as less exotic premium ammo like the Speer Gold Dot and Remington Golden Saber. The 17# would be helpful with the DoubleTap and Buffalo Bore Gold Dots (and Golden Saber if/when they start loading it), and the CorBon "Traditional" JHP.
     
  7. pocketgun

    pocketgun New Member

    May 4, 2005
    Re: IF there was a recoil spring,what would you wa

    14.5, 15.5, and 16.5 might be better. Wolff is going to have to do some testing and figure out what works. Getting 16.5 or 17 pound springs in a P-3AT is going to be fun.
     
  8. JFB

    JFB New Member

    Jul 25, 2005
    Re: IF there was a recoil spring,what would you wa

    This aint Wolfe, This is just me ;)

    And I don't think anyone will get a conventional coil spring any better than what KT has now.

    Right now I am not sure I can have a few "prototypes" of one design made by this company. I'm hoping they will run a batch of 100.

    Thus I'm only going to ask for one type.

    a spring that has 5# when installed and ~17# at full recoil would be just an extra long version of one of their stock sizes

    Lets not get hopes too high though
     
  9. pocketgun

    pocketgun New Member

    May 4, 2005
    Re: IF there was a recoil spring,what would you wa

    I would be very interested in trying such a spring. Even if it is too stiff, it would be worth taking a chance on. I still have a few boxes of Santa Barbara sitting around to try it out with, because I didn't want to spank my little guy with stock springs in place. Count me in.
     
  10. PshootR

    PshootR Banned

    Apr 1, 2005
    Re: IF there was a recoil spring,what would you wa

    I would like to know the company's website if possible.
    Generally speaking I think that with stiffer recoil springs the chance of limp-wristing would be increased.
     
  11. pocketgun

    pocketgun New Member

    May 4, 2005
    Enhanced recoil springs in a P-3AT

    I am not too sure of that. With the stock springs, the slide recoils very fast with hot ammo. The mag springs really have to get that round up and ready quick. If you match the ammo to the spring, it should give similar performance to a stock spring with more moderate loads. Considering the lessened felt recoil, it might actually reduce limpwristing. The only way to tell for sure is to try it.
     
  12. JFB

    JFB New Member

    Jul 25, 2005
    Re: IF there was a recoil spring,what would you wa

    I submitted a "request for quote" last night.
    the spring I asked them to make will require two, end to end.

    OD .235"
    ID .146"
    total free lenght 2.5"
    total solid lenght only 0.25"
    combined rate 9#/in
    force at 2" (installed) 5#
    force at 0.7" (recoil) 16.7#
    %deflection 24 to 80

    I just hope they will be able to make them at a reasonable expendature
     
  13. Re: IF there was a recoil spring,what would you wa

    Joe-

    Count me in as a supporter with cash for the initial order of 100 springs if they can make them for you.


    I am not sure what you consider "reasonable" but I would be happy to throw $20 in the pot to see how they work.

    Keep us posted.
     
  14. adamsesq

    adamsesq New Member

    Dec 25, 2006
    Re: IF there was a recoil spring,what would you wa

    Careful Joe - NAS may try and talk you into letting him distribute said springs and run off to Tahiti with the profits ;D ;D ;D

    -Scott
     
  15. Re: IF there was a recoil spring,what would you wa

    ;)

    [​IMG]

    Mitch- Who has made enough selling washers he was able to [highlight]RETIRE[/highlight] in Tahiti!







    NOT!
     
  16. JFB

    JFB New Member

    Jul 25, 2005
    Re: IF there was a recoil spring, but there aint

    :(Bad news,

    Just got off the phone

    They don't have the equipment to make the spring needed.
     
  17. :'(

    Well... I guess we will continue to make do with the free ones! ;)
     
  18. rbsanspree

    rbsanspree New Member

    454
    Feb 27, 2007
    Is the LCP springs heavier or lighter or the same as the p3at? I think the slide is a bit heavier maybe they need a heavier spring? Just some ideas.
     
  19. pocketgun

    pocketgun New Member

    May 4, 2005
    Re: IF there was a recoil spring, but there aint

    Thanks for your efforts just the same! :)
     
  20. bh153dc

    bh153dc New Member

    Count me in too