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I went to my LGS the other day just to kill some time. They know I'm a lefty. And an impulse buyer. *And my wife is a hard no on AR15's in the house. I've wanted a higher caliber rifle and the next thing I know I have an RDB in my hands and they're explaining all the ambidextrous controls and downward ejection of shells. So, I make it out of the store without buying it, but it's eating at me. I do a little research and the price was OK for a 20" barrel. I like the longer barrel because I may get to hog hunt with it eventually. Anyway, long story short, I bought it. However, I have yet to bring it home. I'm storing it at a friend's house until I figure out a way to gracefully break it to the wife.

*I have 4 pistols, a revolver, 3 .22 rifles, and a Sub 2000. She's not anti-gun, but definitely not a fan of ARs. Now technically this bullpup isn't an AR, is it?

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Does your wife enjoy shooting your 22s? Your SUB-2000? Time to move her up to the joy of the RDB! :) The best way to convert people is to take them shooting on a fun range day.
The nice thing about RDB is that it has ever been advertised as a rifle for military/tactical application. Tell your wife that you got a ranch rifle for varmint control, show her the KT RDB web page and she will see your point.
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Take the Sub 2000 out to the range and comeback with the RDB. She’ll never know the difference.
No, my wife doesn't enjoy shooting. She won't go to the range. My daughter, however, is starting to come around. Just need to get her to the range. My son has been all-in since the beginning. He's going to flip when he sees the RDB. He already loves shooting the Sub 2000.

GXER: That's the way I'm spinning it. Not sure how effective my argument will be. I imagine more ducking for cover and disappointed looks.

Pavia: I like the way you think.
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The RDB is definitely NOT an AR despite the color. Black firearms are one of the last holdouts where people can be racist even if it's just a firearm (the other is with certain breeds of dogs regardless of their color). Do NOT tell your wife anyone suggested that. But I made a T shirt that had a black silhouette of an AR and the text, "Is it because I'm black?". The meaning was clear and I really think that's the case for lots of folks. But again, DO NOT suggest that to your wife if you value your marriage.

In the future, since she's not a shooter, flood the house with black rifles. She won't be able to tell one from the other and you'll be free to buy what you want and bring it home. I don't know and I'm not going to look into the following. But if KT makes a tactical peanut butter stocked version as they do with the Sub2k you might exchange what you bought for one of those. It gets rid of the blackness and would look less threatening. I don't get it, but others would see it as "not an AR". Or maybe get the black RDB ceracoated a different color scheme before bringing it home?
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Well karma happened quickly this time. Took the RDB to the range for the first time last night and had 10 rounds out of 100 not fire. Looks like lite primer strikes. Tried increasing the gas but still had no luck eliminating the issue. Ammo was PMC X-TAC 5.56. Kel Tec was great when I called them this morning. Sending the rifle back for repair.

It was a great shooter when it went bang. Got it sighted in and had a lot of fun, even with the failure frustrations. So nice not having brass & gas shot across my face.
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Yeah, more gas won't fix that.

Well that's the pits! But they'll take care of you as you already found out.
Well karma happened quickly this time. Took the RDB to the range for the first time last night and had 10 rounds out of 100 not fire. Looks like lite primer strikes. Tried increasing the gas but still had no luck eliminating the issue. Ammo was PMC X-TAC 5.56. Kel Tec was great when I called them this morning. Sending the rifle back for repair.

It was a great shooter when it went bang. Got it sighted in and had a lot of fun, even with the failure frustrations. So nice not having brass & gas shot across my face.
Yes, not a gas issue. Could be a bad ammo lot, but probably an issue with the internals.

Do you use grease or wonderlube crap (like Froglube or Slide guide, etc)? If you do… don’t. They cause a lot of FTF.
Unhappy wife unhappy life. No piece of tactical Tupperware is worth that.
Well karma happened quickly this time. Took the RDB to the range for the first time last night and had 10 rounds out of 100 not fire. Looks like lite primer strikes. Tried increasing the gas but still had no luck eliminating the issue. Ammo was PMC X-TAC 5.56. Kel Tec was great when I called them this morning. Sending the rifle back for repair.

It was a great shooter when it went bang. Got it sighted in and had a lot of fun, even with the failure frustrations. So nice not having brass & gas shot across my face.
Did you clean it before going to the range for the first time? With my sub2000 I had ejection issues at first but thought more rounds would break it in. Didn't help much. Read a tip here that Kel-Tec uses a sticky antirust coating in the factory that needs to be cleaned off before use. I tried that and the issues mostly went away. I still have occasional feed issues but I'm trying to determine if it is magazine related because I'm using a variety of brands and sizes.
Not sure I want an RDB, prefer the 300 Blackout, odd they do not offer it.
May have to retire the ar-15 pistol (brace) don't want to be a ATF Felon...
Hopefully the court will dump the ATF registration B.S. after 10 years of being legal.
Got to love the madness in "our" Goverment
Yes, we've pondered the lack of a 300BLK as well. Maybe it's the gas port placement? I dunno. But seems that they could make it work with supersonic loads if not subsonic loads. Or change the placement of the gas port and port diameter and make essentially a new gun that could look similar to the RDB. But that's speculation on my part, I'm not a firearm designer. Neither am I a lawyer and esp' not a gun lawyer so take what follows to someone who knows more about it then I do.

There are a few things you can do with that braced AR15. One is to take advantage of the amnesty and SBR it.

Another is to remove the brace and make the lower so that it can't accept a brace. That may mean getting rid of the brace which could be as simple as handing it to someone for safe keeping as long as it won't get them in trouble. After that you can cheek the buffer tube with an appropriate sight in place. They sell buffer tubes, and they're inexpensive, with foam sleeves for that very use. That way you'll still have your pistol. Get a 300BLK pistol upper for that legal lower just because you can.

Another option is to get a rifle length upper in whatever chambering you wish and put that in place on the lower. A rifle can use an arm brace as a stock or a real stock. I would then hand the pistol upper to someone for safe keeping for the utmost legality. I don't remember what ATF calls having the parts on hand, but it's some twisted thinking that gets one to the place where having parts on hand is illegal. Heck male ATF agents have male genitalia (I assume) and by that twisted reasoning they're all guilty of rape.

There's no logical reason for the SBR rule from a crime aspect, it's just there to hang people over. Allow me to explain. I had a brace on a CP33. It made the handgun larger and more difficult to conceal. The firepower was identical with or w/o the brace so is accuracy. Due to ATF I removed the brace and made it so that it couldn't be put back on. That made the handgun smaller with the same firepower, and just as accurate since I'm now cheeking the gun and that's an extremely stable shooting position. So the result was, if I was a criminal, a better gun for crime w/o the brace. Doesn't make sense from a logic standpoint. But when has logic ever gotten in the way of making ridiculous laws?
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If they can do a 300 Black out for subsonic it would be a huge seller.
I forgot about the gas port. The IWI Travor x95 works in 300 Black out, but pricey.. With the new brace rule the market should be good for bullpups .
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If they can do a 300 Black out for subsonic it would be a huge seller.
I forgot about the gas port. The IWI Travor x95 works in 300 Black out, but pricey.. With the new brace rule the market should be good for bullpups .
Desert Tech has the Mdrx in 300blk,and its availible.But it requires you change out the recoil spring, they use for the other calibers for a short one,deleting the moderately fast caliber change feature the gun has.

Trying to find a 300blk X95 is going to be hard as those kits aren't imported anymore.

300blk is kinda an odd duck as subsonics will require the gasblock to be in a different location on the Rdb.All stuff George Kelgren probably knows and is leaving to the aftermarket.
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Desert Tech has the Mdrx in 300blk,and its availible.But it requires you change out the recoil spring, they use for the other calibers for a short one,deleting the moderately fast caliber change feature the gun has.
Yeah, my history with the MDR was an order for one chambered in 300BLK. Back then I had to order the MDR in something else (.223 wylde) and also order a conversion. I got disgusted after 5 years of waiting and cancelled the conversion with the .223 Wylde in hand (after 4 years). Built my own AR 300BLK after researching the (IMO) optimum build and never regretted it. It was more $ but IMO better all around. Since 300BLK subsonics can be tempermental as to build I expected to tailor my handloads to the gun and yes, they require tweaking. But ALL my loads get tweaked to every gun I load for. If I had waited for a working 300BLK conversion it would have been another 2-3 years (I stopped counting after requesting my refund). Looking back on it I don't think Desert Tech had a clue what was involved in a 300BLK conversion before they began taking $ for them.

My MDR is an anchor and I had no thoughts that it would be a lightweight even years before I received it, I knew what to expect so I'm not casting aspersions on it's weight, not really as a .223 Wylde. I didn't design my 300BLK AR build to be lightweight but it's still lighter even with it's can in place that's designed to handle .300 Win Mag, and if I remember correctly, still a hair shorter than my MDR with the can that's on it 24/7/365. It's a dense AR, deceptively heavy, but also built right. IMO the MDR would be too heavy for it's role as a CQB rifle. That's where I was going with this paragraph. But if I want a reliable extreme cold weather rifle the MDR is the one I choose due to it's massive internals and the tiny cartridge it pushes.

OK, a bit off subject... Why don't ammo manufacturers tell us what their 300BLK is ammo is designed to work with? I have factory ammo on hand that is clearly designed for manual actions. The few (one?) that works with a self loader designed for CQB, which is what the 300 BLK is designed for, claims to be suppressor friendly and it is. Supersonic is easy to make work in pretty much ANY 300BLK. The ammo boxes need more data on them IMO. That's if they care about actually selling ammo to the consumer who can use it. If they just want to sell ammo and piss people off they're doing it right. I don't want factory ammo that turns my semi-auto into a manual action. I don't buy factory ammo anymore, so their one time sale to me is their last sale to me. They made one minor sale, that seems sorta like not what they would want, or I wouldn't want that if I was in the factory ammo business. Whatever. I don't have $ invested in their businesses. They do. Those folks with bolt actions and single shots can use anything that fits in the chamber.

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Recently they introduced the really short MDR. It seems tailor made to be chambered in 300BLK and that's the only way they could get me to do business with them again. Yet, last I checked it wasn't chambered in that. OK. I don't get it.
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Yeah, my history with the MDR was an order for one chambered in 300BLK. Back then I had to order the MDR in something else (.223 wylde) and also order a conversion. I got disgusted after 5 years of waiting and cancelled the conversion with the .223 Wylde in hand (after 4 years). Built my own AR 300BLK after researching the (IMO) optimum build and never regretted it. It was more $ but IMO better all around. Since 300BLK subsonics can be tempermental as to build I expected to tailor my handloads to the gun and yes, they require tweaking. But ALL my loads get tweaked to every gun I load for. If I had waited for a working 300BLK conversion it would have been another 2-3 years (I stopped counting after requesting my refund). Looking back on it I don't think Desert Tech had a clue what was involved in a 300BLK conversion before they began taking $ for them.

My MDR is an anchor and I had no thoughts that it would be a lightweight even years before I received it, I knew what to expect so I'm not casting aspersions on it's weight, not really as a .223 Wylde. I didn't design my 300BLK AR build to be lightweight but it's still lighter even with it's can in place that's designed to handle .300 Win Mag, and if I remember correctly, still a hair shorter than my MDR with the can that's on it 24/7/365. It's a dense AR, deceptively heavy, but also built right. IMO the MDR would be too heavy for it's role as a CQB rifle. That's where I was going with this paragraph. But if I want a reliable extreme cold weather rifle the MDR is the one I choose due to it's massive internals and the tiny cartridge it pushes.

OK, a bit off subject... Why don't ammo manufacturers tell us what their 300BLK is ammo is designed to work with? I have factory ammo on hand that is clearly designed for manual actions. The few (one?) that works with a self loader designed for CQB, which is what the 300 BLK is designed for, claims to be suppressor friendly and it is. Supersonic is easy to make work in pretty much ANY 300BLK. The ammo boxes need more data on them IMO. That's if they care about actually selling ammo to the consumer who can use it. If they just want to sell ammo and piss people off they're doing it right. I don't want factory ammo that turns my semi-auto into a manual action. I don't buy factory ammo anymore, so their one time sale to me is their last sale to me. They made one minor sale, that seems sorta like not what they would want, or I wouldn't want that if I was in the factory ammo business. Whatever. I don't have $ invested in their businesses. They do. Those folks with bolt actions and single shots can use anything that fits in the chamber.

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Recently they introduced the really short MDR. It seems tailor made to be chambered in 300BLK and that's the only way they could get me to do business with them again. Yet, last I checked it wasn't chambered in that. OK. I don't get it.
So...IM gonna tell you..You may have dodged a bullet with the initial run of 300blk MDRX's.. Sounds like they only made about 100..And..The adjuster doesn't correspond with the port hole openings. Meaning: you may think your running Normal/supersonics but you actual opening is for subsonic loads. Causing you to wreck the rifle..I sorta looks like someone wasnt following the instructions and just randomly placed difference size openings instead of them getting sequentially larger.
At least..that's what I figured out on mine. I now have the new release of the 300blk..Mine probably wasn't destroyed at least in part due to me never changing out the recoil spring.

Down side to 300blk in the MDRx is your stuck with that caliber and cant swap to another IF you are using the 300blk specific recoil spring.
MDRX supers and subs

Ive been playing with 300blk for about 8 months now..Got an SBR AR in 300blk too. Both wont work with certain manufacturers. So far that is only 208gr Hornady black subs..However..ALL 220gr subs have cycled when suppressed.

The MDRX Micron cant work with 300blk subs..Or 8.6Blk with the fixed gas block at the 9 inch mark on the MDRX (supers would be fine..but you dont get 300blk for the supers)...It needs to be moved back like on 7" Ars which are a few inched from the rear of the barrel.
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So...IM gonna tell you..You may have dodged a bullet with the initial run of 300blk MDRX's..
Thanks. I probably would have gotten one of those and I'd be even less happy with DT had that happened.

Yeah, I'm good with what I have for my MDR and my 300BLK AR. I think you suggested to me that the MDR was iffy in other conversions before I ever requested my refund.

Getting off topic even more... I gotta add that I love the 300BLK cartridge, I just wish I had discovered it long before it was ever a thing but of course I knew of it when it was the 300 Whisper I just didn't really understand it fully back then. I also had no use for the Whisper because I wasn't in the NFA registration with a can back then. Before I even started to build my AR I knew that I'd be reloading 300BLK to get it running up to it's potential but I just don't see it as a cartridge for the masses unless ammo manufacturers start to be more build specific on their ammo boxes. I see folks with 300BLK all the time over on 300BLKTalk who either don't handload or don't know enough about handloading trying to work with the cartridge and running into problems. Or jump into it with a build that's going to require very specific ammo if the build will work at all and then ask how they feed the thing. It's easy to get the 300BLK to work with supersonic ammo, but becomes more tempermental and demanding with subsonics.

Changing the recoil spring... I built my AR specifically to use standard off the shelf AR components yet still be reliable. Even so I have to tweak the ammo. From what you write it sounds as though DT is trying to get the MDRx to do something it's ill suited to do. I didn't know that 7ish (? has it really been that long?) years ago when I was 300BLK ignorant and put my conversion on order. But as I looked into my AR build semi-recently it became more apparent. IMO, if they didn't move the gas port back to get more gas they're just asking for problems. There are folks who know more than I do using gas ports farther from peak pressure and they work fine. But it's easier if the gas port is drilled for pistol gas.

Yeah, I'm good with what I have. At this time I don't desire any conversions for my MDR. Thanks again.
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Changing the recoil spring... I built my AR specifically to use standard off the shelf AR components yet still be reliable. Even so I have to tweak the ammo. From what you write it sounds as though DT is trying to get the MDRx to do something it's ill suited to do...
Yes. Changing the recoil spring on the MDRX requires a vice and some tools (and red Loctite) vs an allen wrench and a barrel (for 6.5creed,308,556.). Once the 300Blk spring is in, you'll probably want a new BCG with the old recoil spring (DT will sell you one for 650$)..Otherwise you'll have to reverse the process a day or so before going to any of the other calibers..I haven't shot the updated kit with my configuration, but I was told (I currently use the 308/223/6.5creed recoil spring) that it will not cycle subsonics with that recoil spring attached.

*For those reading, I have not had any major issues with my MDRX, but I know folks who have..So I follow the facebook pages and reddits.
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*For those reading, I have not had any major issues with my MDRX, but I know folks who have..So I follow the facebook pages and reddits.
Lest folks think I don't like the gun, I like it quite a bit. I have had issues with the company*, but they make a good rifle, and I would use different words if I had problems with the rifle.

*To illustrate... They used >$4k of my money, interest free for 4 years, then $900 of the remainder for another year and had the spheroids to charge me $1 for the check when I requested a refund after cancelling the 300BLK conversion. That's just one thing, but it was things like that over the years and after awhile one just can't ignore it anymore. But their rifles are good.
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