[Nakanokalronin]

Has anyone tried a Gen 2 stock on a Gen 1? (Update 1 with pics)(Update 2 with pics)

I have a Gen 1 Sub2K and looking at pictures it seems like the Gen 2 stock could work and Kel-Tec only sells one type of stock pin. Anyone know if this is possible? Even if it needed a little bit of work and it didn't fold all the way, it would be worth it.

 

[haugrdr]

You must have missed this thread from last summer....

http://www.thektog.org/forum/f85/gen-2-forend-gen-1-sub2000-263727/

 

[Nakanokalronin]

You must have missed this thread from last summer....

http://www.thektog.org/forum/f85/gen-2-forend-gen-1-sub2000-263727/

That one is about the Gen 2 forend. I'm looking at putting the Gen 2 stock on my Gen 1.

My second question would be, does someone know if the "receiver" tube on the Gen 2 and buffer tube on the Gen 1 have the same dimensions? If so I don't see why this wouldn't work. I would think a Gen 2 stock, Gen 2 buffer and a Gen 2 stock pin is all that would be needed.

 

[haugrdr]

Ah...I mis-read your post. Sorry.

 

[Nakanokalronin]

Well I guess not so I'll order the parts and try it out. Having an adjustable and taller stock will be nice if I can get it to work. I'll post pics in another thread when I'm done with it.

 

[850sub]

Its my understanding that the stock tube and most all internals are the same.

 

[oldbrowngun]

I have one of each and one thing that I know is different is the pin doesnt come all the way out of the gen 1 stock, its captured, whereas the gen 2 pin does come all the way free to be able to set it into a new hole on the adjustable stock. I dont know if there is a way to free that gen 1 pin as I havent examined it, but thats something to make sure of.

 

[smeeg]

im wondering if the gen 2 grip halves could be used on a gen 1 http://www.keltecweapons.com/sub-2000/s2k-410l-grip-left-2nd-gen/

 

[850sub]

im wondering if the gen 2 grip halves could be used on a gen 1 http://www.keltecweapons.com/sub-2000/s2k-410l-grip-left-2nd-gen/

Wait a minute, this thread is about the butt stock. Start another thread.

 

[Nakanokalronin]

Its my understanding that the stock tube and most all internals are the same.

Well that will make this a plug and play adventure if true.

I have one of each and one thing that I know is different is the pin doesnt come all the way out of the gen 1 stock, its captured, whereas the gen 2 pin does come all the way free to be able to set it into a new hole on the adjustable stock. I dont know if there is a way to free that gen 1 pin as I havent examined it, but thats something to make sure of.

I've taken off the Gen 1 stock to put on the tube cover so no problems there. I ordered the Gen 2 stock, buffer and stock pin and they should be here Monday. I may have to shorten the front of the Gen 2 stock so I can still use my tube cover or I'll modify the cover itself, we'll see. I know everything locks differently when closed so either it won't lock or I'll find a way to make it happen.

The main reason why I want this is so I can shoulder it a little higher so I'm not craning my neck down when I'm at the range. The second reason is for more sling attachment points. I know people have used AR stocks and buffer tubes, but this should be pretty easy to do if everything lines up correctly, plus it will keep it light.

 

[oldbrowngun]

Well that will make this a plug and play adventure if true.



I've taken off the Gen 1 stock to put on the tube cover so no problems there. I ordered the Gen 2 stock, buffer and stock pin and they should be here Monday. I may have to shorten the front of the Gen 2 stock so I can still use my tube cover or I'll modify the cover itself, we'll see. I know everything locks differently when closed so either it won't lock or I'll find a way to make it happen.

The main reason why I want this is so I can shoulder it a little higher so I'm not craning my neck down when I'm at the range. The second reason is for more sling attachment points. I know people have used AR stocks and buffer tubes, but this should be pretty easy to do if everything lines up correctly, plus it will keep it light.

I think the tube cover works if you have the stock extended all the way out. When i have the stock extended all the way out on the gen 2 though I dont get a very good view through the tiny peep hole, personally thinking I may drill mine out a bit larger.

 

[Nakanokalronin]

I think the tube cover works if you have the stock extended all the way out. When i have the stock extended all the way out on the gen 2 though I dont get a very good view through the tiny peep hole, personally thinking I may drill mine out a bit larger.

I was thinking it would work while fully extended, but it would be nice if it could go in all three positions without interference. I don't have the parts in hand yet so I'm making assumptions. I'll just update this thread with pictures when I get everything together.

 

[Nakanokalronin]

The parts came in a day early and I've already started. I had to sand the front of the stock just a little bit to get it to fit up to the tube cover and line up with the hole. It'll be at it's farthest point, but that's fine since I'm 6'3". I can still see the peep just fine, but I am able to raise it up more so I'm not craning my neck down as much when lining up the sights.

It's obvious now that the Gen 2 tube has a slot in the top, back portion for the buffer to slip in. The Gen 2 locking mechanism is attached to it so there would be no other way they could accomplish this. Since it's not going to lock anywhere I'm either going to cut off the lock or just use the factory buffer.

The Gen 2 buffer body by the pin hole is smaller which allows the Gen 2 stock pin to lock in place. I could modify the the factory buffer, but I'm determined to use the new pieces and leave the Gen 1 factory parts alone.

Now it won't close all the way with the stock extended all the way out. If it's in the smallest/forward position it would close and the sight would be right behind the stock. This is fine, but either the cover needs to be removed since the top of the stock goes well over the charging handle slot or I'd have to cut the front of the stock down.

I'm not sure which way I'm going to go yet, but it would function just fine with the factory buffer,the slightly sanded down stock and new stock pin like in the pictures below. The only thing I would wonder about is how well the stock pin would stay in place. It's a tight fit and takes some effort to remove, but it's not totally locked in.

 

[Nakanokalronin]

Update 2

So I decided to take off the tube cover since the slight extension on the stock up front allowed my cheek to rest on the stock instead of the rail and when I removed the cover there were some tiny rust spots underneath. It's not surprising since rubber on metal will do that so I'd remove it once in awhile and check things out if you have one on your Sub2K.

Removing the tube cover also allowed the stock to go in the forward most position so that it could be folded closed. It won't lock, but it's better than not being able to fold it. I used the Gen 2 buffer, but cut off the locking mechanism so it could fit in the tube. Now the pin locks in place and can't go anywhere unless I push forward on the buffer just like it should be.

All around I like it and I didn't have to modify any of the Gen 1 parts to do it. So if you want a Gen 2 stock on your Gen 1, buy a Gen 2 stock, buffer and stock pin, cut off the lock and sand/grind down the top where the lock was until it fits in the tube and assemble. This works better without the tube cover and I don't even need it now.

ETA: I also wanted to mention the Gen 1 stock pin removal. All you need to to do is extend it out all the way, get some small and flat like a precision screw driver and put it down in where the detent is and work it until you can push it back while pulling the pin out. Make sure you do it somewhere safe and enclosed since the detent and/or spring may fly out.

 

[850sub]

Cool.
Wanted to add that there is detailed instructions for removing the gen1 stock pin in the FAQ. IIRC, you pull it out slightly to the first groove, twist the pin to get the retaining pin, pin out of the channel and pull the rest of the way out watching for the pin and spring to shoot out. Refer to the FAQ, for I don't always have a good memory.