Gun Show Gun Abuse

Discussion in 'P-3AT' started by WyoShooter, Dec 8, 2008.

  1. WyoShooter

    WyoShooter New Member

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    Nov 22, 2008
    I've been looking for a PF9 and and P-3AT for a few weeks now and so far the local dealers haven't been able to locate either one.  We have a gun show coming to this area next weekend and I thought I'd go there and see if I could find either one, but I've been thinking about the caution not to dry fire Kel-Teks.

    Do you think that new guns offered at gun shows would be likely to have been handled and dry fired a lot more than a new gun sitting on the average dealer's shelf?  I'd hate to buy a new Kel-Tek that has already been dry fired 100 times and is only two more trigger pulls away from a busted firing pin.  

    I assume that a gun show dealer wouldn't be very happy with a customer disassembling a new firearm to inspect for internal damage.  How much of a problem might this be, or am I just worrying about a non-existent problem?

    Ed
     
  2. RAT76

    RAT76 Active Member

    Aug 21, 2006
    Oklahoma
    Here is my experience with two gun show purchases. Both times the gun I took home was one they had in the box under the table. The "demonstrator" model never left the table.

    That being said I did not & would not worry about the dry firing issue. WORST case when you get it home call KT Service & request a new firing pin & spring IF you are concerned.
     

  3. OhioGunToter

    OhioGunToter New Member

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    Dec 1, 2008
    I agree with Rat.... I buy most my guns at gun shows. what I do is if I see a gun i like I tell the man I'll take one. he reaches under the counter grabs a box and escort's me behind there table so that the paper work can be done.. Its at this time I open the box and check out my new gun....
     
  4. WyoShooter

    WyoShooter New Member

    137
    Nov 22, 2008
    Well, that puts my mind at ease.  I've wandered through gun shows before but never bought anything.  I thought what was on the table was what you got...didn't realize that the dealers had an inventory besides the display. Thanks for the responses.

    Ed
     
  5. Sangueffusor

    Sangueffusor New Member

    May 13, 2007
    Indiana
    Every dealer I've bought from at a gun show, the gun you picked out on the table was the one you got...
     
  6. OhioGunToter

    OhioGunToter New Member

    74
    Dec 1, 2008
    I'm glad we don't go to the same gun shows ;)
     
  7. WyoShooter

    WyoShooter New Member

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    Nov 22, 2008
    Maybe it has to do with the size of the show.  I suspect the shows that come to Wyoming are not as large as those in more populous areas and probably smaller shows don't have as great an inventory.  

    I guess Rat's suggestion to just order a new pin and parts if there is a problem would work.  They're cheap enough.

    Ed
     
  8. 3wbdriver

    3wbdriver Moderator Staff Member

    Nov 2, 2005
    Louisiana
    I had the same experience here in Louisiana.  Both guns I purchased were NIB under the table.  Not from the display.  I was dumb enough at the time I wouldn't have known any better, but have since learned.  If you go this route, just refuse the display model in hopes the dealer has some under the table.  If he doesn't it becomes a matter of how bad do you want it.

    ;)
     
  9. WyoShooter

    WyoShooter New Member

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    Nov 22, 2008
    Actually, pretty bad.  :eek:  I've got a growing case of the "wants" fed by all the Kel-Tec enthusiasts here.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

    Ed
     
  10. c0wboi38

    c0wboi38 New Member

    Sep 19, 2006
    All of my KT's have been the "display" model. 5 of the 6 came from gun stores, and were the ones in the case. Hopefully nothing bad. By the way KT's fly off the shelves here, I doubt they were there long.


    My one gun show purchase was my first P-11. Bought on a Sunday at the show, was the display P-11, and literally the LAST one he had in stock. I wanted it bad enough.

    ;D

    They guy knew his stuff, had all kinds of KT accessories, parts, etc. Was definitely a licensed dealer. He wouldn't let me "dry fire" until I actually showed him my snap cap. (Had already been reading KTOG and was prepared) He thought I was making it up about having one. lol

    By his reactions, I highly doubt he had let anyone dry fire that puppy. I never did have a problem with it.
     
  11. jw08

    jw08 New Member

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    Dec 7, 2008
    This sounds like an appropriate post to share an experience. I just purchased a P3AT from a gun show this weekend - a parkerized slide w/ OD green frame. I voiced concern about getting a latest version and the employee assured me this was and just came in. SS# JTU34
    After shopping around, there were no others with that finish available so I came back to purchase. I thought it was odd that the gun and box was not in the display but back under the table. The box was not sealed and I wanted more time to examine, however the guy seemed rushed to do the paper work and the place was busy so I didn't think much of it at the time.
    After bringing it home, I opened the box, examined the contents and removed the slide. It appears the gun has been fired as there's dirt from powder residue in the frame and chamber area. Also the box label with serial number is scribbled out and the SS from my gun hand written in. I find this strange and I'm concerned there has been something screwy with this. I don't want to do any test firing or polishing till I learn more.

    Does Kel-tec test fire their guns before leaving the factory? Is this unusual? I would be ****ed if I found out I paid new price for someone's used or problem gun.

    Any input appreciated,

    JD
     
  12. 3wbdriver

    3wbdriver Moderator Staff Member

    Nov 2, 2005
    Louisiana
    They are test fired but not cleaned before leaving the factory.  But the box serial number is interesting. Don't polish it until you shoot it, unless you're one of those who just has to tinker. Mine was perfect right out of the box with a little clean and lube.

    :-/
     
  13. doubloon

    doubloon New Member

    Jan 5, 2008
    Houston-ish, TX
    clean and lube no problems out of the box here either
     
  14. jw08

    jw08 New Member

    2
    Dec 7, 2008
    Thanks for the responses. Good, that makes me feel more comfortable at least with the test firing. I think I might call the company and talk to the owner/manager to get their reaction to the written ss#. PLus the manual states I should have received a small cloth bag - which was not included. I look forward to shooting this little thing.

    Thanks,
    JD
     
  15. Dang I hate not having KTOG at work..... CJ, did I miss a posting where you anounced you finally bought a 3AT?
     
  16. 3wbdriver

    3wbdriver Moderator Staff Member

    Nov 2, 2005
    Louisiana
    I've had a P3AT for 3 years!   I had it and shot it at your club last month!  You commented that it was visible in my back pocket!   :eek:
     
  17. I claim a senior moment on this bit of forgotten information! :-[
     
  18. RAT76

    RAT76 Active Member

    Aug 21, 2006
    Oklahoma
    When I bought my P3AT it also had no bag in the box.  I was so excited I didn't even notice til I got home.

    I had to send it in for an issue & I told them inthe note that the bag had disappeared somewhere between the factory & me.  ie. the dealer swiped it. (implied not stated)

    They included a new bag when they shipped the repaired pistol back.

    Call Service & tell them your new gun was missing the bag.   ;)
     
  19. adamsesq

    adamsesq New Member

    Dec 25, 2006
    I think they did away with the bags in lieu of the plastic case?

    -Scott
     
  20. RAT76

    RAT76 Active Member

    Aug 21, 2006
    Oklahoma
    And Lord knows they don't update their manuals. :-/

    ;)