[ral357]

Nothing like good Ol competition to FORCE companies to bring their products up to higher standards of performance.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...5E91016EC8205A1162115E910&fsscr=0&FORM=VDFSRV
LGS has two coming in shortly, the KSG MAY be traded off. DP12 is 2 lbs heavier and not quite as slick as the KSG. I like the ability to change loads at the flick of a switch that the KSG brings to the table. With all the positive characteristics the KSG has it lacks the most important, dependability.

 

[1dragon]

Well all I can say is owning a dependable KSG and fondling the DP12, I'll be keeping my KSG. The DP 12 is clunky and having to alternate aiming at distance with slugs will keep me away. I'm sure it's a good shotty being made by Standard, but it is a brick to hold. It is nice to see the bullpup scene growing though.

I'm not saying that IF my KSG was a problem child I wouldn't consider the DP12, but I think I would want a more refined edition of it. I'm not too fond of the pump once shoot twice routine only because I could see that as real easy to get screwed up on like the guy in the vid. Could you train around it, sure but if he has 11K rounds through his and still getting crossed up I could see that as an issue.

If you think you will like it I wouldn't question the quality of the DP12. We all need to spend our money where it makes us happy! If you do go for it give us a review if the mods allow it.

 

[ral357]

Ya I gotta hold it in my sweaty hands to see just how "clunky" it is before making any final decisions. If you do a little research the DP12 had issues with feeding if the barrel was pointing down when pumped. That issue was quickly address by the manufacturer and is no longer an issue. Teething issues are to be expected and are excusable. Ignoring known issues is not.
Really like the KSG but I don't need a range toy.

 

[1dragon]

I hear ya. Yes I have heard of the feeding issue with the Dp12 but as you stated it was addressed so quickly I consider it a non issue.

I don't consider my KSG a range toy because it works. I somehow got a good one thankfully, lol.

 

[nwfenton]

I won't buy a DP12 until someone offers a fix for the whole "I've got one live round left in the chamber and I can't put it in safe" thing...

 

[ral357]

I won't buy a DP12 until someone offers a fix for the whole "I've got one live round left in the chamber and I can't put it in safe" thing...

But you own a Glock, that is SOP 100 percent of the time.

 

[jdyno718]

Nothing like good Ol competition to FORCE companies to bring their products up to higher standards of performance.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...5E91016EC8205A1162115E910&fsscr=0&FORM=VDFSRV
LGS has two coming in shortly, the KSG MAY be traded off. DP12 is 2 lbs heavier and not quite as slick as the KSG. I like the ability to change loads at the flick of a switch that the KSG brings to the table. With all the positive characteristics the KSG has it lacks the most important, dependability.

old news...the ksg has had competition for some time now... the uts-15 produced since 2012

 

[ral357]

old news...the ksg has had competition for some time now... the uts-15 produced since 2012

Ugly, clunky,POS that makes the KSG look like the pinnacle of dependability. Yes the uts has been out for some time but no it isn't even in the same league as the KSG let alone ballpark.

 

[CJP32]

I trust my life to my KSG, it's never had a problem. I used it for work until I got a new car and it won't fit in the rack.

With kel tec's warranty I just don't understand why anyone puts up with a gun that isn't reliable. If it doesn't work right, send it back and get it fixed.

 

[jonnin]

The safety is a non issue. If you don't want to shoot the 2nd just eject the thing. Most pistols made now days do not have a safety. All I can say it that Standard made a shotgun gun unlike the early beta generations that KSG had. The DP 12 is perfect.

That would be interesting to see some real statistics on. A lot of pistols lack a safety, that is true, but an AWFUL LOT of 1911 & variations are made each year, as are a lot of DA/SA with a safety (most of those have one), and most target 22s like ruger marks or S&W etc have a safety, ... Its not important to the discussion (I agree that guns that are difficult to operate do not need a safety) but its probably pretty close to 50-50 if you are talking quantity sold and closer to 70/30 with/without if talking models available.

 

[Codemonkey3]

I would trade my KSG in for a DP-12 in a heart beat.

If that same company made a KSG clone or even a single-tube version (akin to a Bullpup Unlimited Kit) I would throw money at them so fast I'd break the sound barrier.

My KSG has been a nightmare gun. I finally fixed it two months ago, I'm taking it out tomorrow on the 4th of July and praying it doesn't break again but I've lost all confidence in Kel-Tec quality control.

The DP-12 is built like a tank. I just don't really care of the double barrel feature.

 

[steppingcrane]

I would trade my KSG in for a DP-12 in a heart beat.

If that same company made a KSG clone or even a single-tube version (akin to a Bullpup Unlimited Kit) I would throw money at them so fast I'd break the sound barrier.

My KSG has been a nightmare gun. I finally fixed it two months ago, I'm taking it out tomorrow on the 4th of July and praying it doesn't break again but I've lost all confidence in Kel-Tec quality control.

The DP-12 is built like a tank. I just don't really care of the double barrel feature.

Were you able to take your KSG out, how did it run? Mine has been flawless since the initial two hiccups in the beginning (6 months ago), with one being a 3rd party SS mag follower. The other was similar to yours of the round catching when racking it, but was easily fixed. Yes, there could be better quality control and a little more time spent in the factory to hone some of these potential issues, but search for Mossberg 500 or Remington 870 issues, and you will get plenty (they are suppose to be the gold standard of "dependability").

 

[kingof9x]

It would be a game changer if it was cheaper than a KSG. I like shooting slugs and don't like having to remember to hold over depending on what barrel I am about to shoot of to still be on target. If I didn't like shooting slugs as much I would probably be super excited about it. I am sure the thing a a joy to shoot, and is very well built. But I won't be trading my KSG for a DP-12 anytime soon.

 

[TxCajun]

LOL...cheaper than a KSG. I've got a KSG and DP-12. You need one of each..come one now. Don't be a slacker. I seethis was moved because too many KSG owners bad mouthing KelTec..

You see nothing of the sort. It was moved because the dp12 is an "Other Gun." This is where the OP should have posted the thread in the first place.

 

[nwfenton]

Most pistols made now days do not have a safety... The DP 12 is perfect.

Most modern pistols can also be put in a HOLSTER to render them safe.

Hot exposed triggers that require an unload to safe is a dumb concept.

A double barreled shotgun makes slugs a wildcard game, and is only useful if you want volume of fire more than accuracy. The KSG is accurate, safe, and in my experience and the experience of most others, very reliable. It's also possible to get one for little more than half the price of the DP-12 (mine was $700, 700 is less than 1200).

The DP12 is NOT perfect.

 

[nwfenton]

Ok, you like the 2nd kind of cool. No problem, you just keep doin' your thing.

 

[850sub]

Love the gold tooth! Got more pics?

 

[ral357]

Finally got to actually look at a DP12.........WOW. It brings a lot of positives to the table as well as a couple negatives. It's heavy, over 3 lbs heavier than the KSG. That should help soak up some recoil. It's about 4" longer than the KSG. Not nearly as handi as the KSG not even close. The two barrel click twice pump is weird but not a deal killer but the biggest downside is slug accuracy at longer range with the sight placement being a compromise between the two barrels.
What it does bring is quality that is hard to ignore. Smooth, just a push of the followers is amazing smooth not rough catchy and inconsistent. The trigger is tight with a quick reset, double taps might rival the speed of an auto. I have little doubt that this gun will function well with less problems than the ksg.........is it worth almost double the KSG? I believe for someone looking for quality that can be relied on if the elephant shows up the answer is a qualified yes. It's heavy and is not as affective for longer slug shots....I'm on the fence at this point. I'm going to give the KSG a bit more time to see if she settles down and becomes reliable, she only has a bit over 200 rounds through her.