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·Just needing to 'vent' a little. My P3AT is a first gen. I got it NIB and I have had it for a few years, now. I bought it planning to 'eventually' get my carry permit, which I did, but not until last year. By then, I had owned the P3AT for quite some time (a couple of years.) Since it isn't exactly a 'range' gun, I didn't mess with it much before I started carrying. When I did shoot it, I was often disappointed. It would fail to feed (tried different ammo and kept having a problem of the nose of the bullet 'hanging up' on the feed ramp - happened with round nose FMJ, flat nosed FMJ, and HP) fail to extract (spent casing only partially removed from the chamber) and fail to fully eject. Keep in mind that even after having it for a few years the gun was still practically brand new because it hadn't been fired, much. However, it had been fired enough that the 'break in' period should have been over.
Fast forward to getting my carry permit and wanting to make the P3AT more reliable. That's when I found this forum and the extremely helpful information here. I did a fluff and buff, polished the feed ramp and started really putting the grease to the little thing and, wallah, like magic it started running about as close to 100% as I believe a small, pocket auto in such a relatively large caliber can run. No real problems, at all, with many different kinds of ammo. Also found out about the pinky extensions and that a Hogue, Jr. would work on it, so I got both and greatly increased my control and accuracy while decreasing the abuse to my hand in practice. I heard about the fix for smileys and, while I didn't feel comfortable doing a complete rampectomy or rampotomy, I did do some 'rampoplasty' (smoothed the worst of the sharp edges) and polished the ramp until it is smooth as glass. I still get smileys but not as deeply gouged. The P3AT is small, easy to carry and, when functioning correctly, just about the perfect solution for carry. Suddenly, I loved the little pistol. Liked it so much that I ended up buying a used P11 after reading good things about them on KTOG. The P11 has functioned great, although I am still more accurate with the P3AT. Add in my .357 for the colder winter days when it will be easy to conceal and I might need more 'oomph' and my carry rotation seemed complete. Until...
Recently, for no apparent reason, the P3AT started the crap with not extracting spent casings, again. Sometimes it works fine. Sometimes, it partially extracts a casing and sometimes it doesn't extract them, at all. The only way to clear the resulting jam is to drop the mag, clear the spent casing, reinsert the mag and rack the slide. If the P3AT had a slide lock on it to hold the slide open, this might not be so bad. As it is, though, it is not a quick process. In a real SD situation, I'd be dead before I could get the darned thing back into the fight. To make matters worse, it is doing this two and three times per magazine. About the only thing I feel I can consider 'reliable' about it is that it is consistently leaving the spent casing from the last round in a magazine completely seated in the chamber - but it comes right out when hand cycled, just like it is supposed to do.
I have checked and there is nothing wrong with the extractor. I tried smoothing the sharp edge on the underside of the barrel hood and polishing the chamber (being careful not to get into the rifling.) Made no noticeable difference. With the ammo shortage, I don't have access to many different kinds of ammo, so I have only tried it with Remington UMC 88 grain JHP and some FMJ reloads I got from the LGS. Thing is, it was firing the UMC stuff (and everything else) extremely well before all of this started - well enough that I started carrying that in my backup mag (only have one mag full, my carry mag, of Hydrashoks left.)
The only thing left that I can possibly think of to try is putting the original baseplates back on the mags and taking the pinky extensions off. The reason I think of this is that it has started sometimes dropping the mag during recoil. I never had a problem with this before adding the extensions and I am paying close attention to my grip - there is no way that I am hitting the mag release so the only other possibility is that the cheap a** plastic catch KelTec uses isn't holding up to the extra leverage the extension creates - maybe there is a change in the mag angle that also hinders extraction. Without the pinky extensions and with the width of my hands, though, I won't like it nearly as much - but if it works that way, at least it will be usable. If that doesn't work, then the P3AT is going in lockup and I will look for an alternative. It will have to be at least nearly as concealable as the P3AT - maybe the Bersa CC .380 or, more likely, a small, five shot revolver - for times when the P11 or the .357 are just too big. If I can't figure this out, the P3AT will probably go home to the factory, eventually (although I don't know what effect even my slight mods will have on the warranty) but not really soon - I am just too aggravated with it, right now. Besides, with the way that it went from running great to jamming several times per magazine, I'm not sure how much trust I can put in it even if the Mother Ship did make it better, stronger, faster.
Fast forward to getting my carry permit and wanting to make the P3AT more reliable. That's when I found this forum and the extremely helpful information here. I did a fluff and buff, polished the feed ramp and started really putting the grease to the little thing and, wallah, like magic it started running about as close to 100% as I believe a small, pocket auto in such a relatively large caliber can run. No real problems, at all, with many different kinds of ammo. Also found out about the pinky extensions and that a Hogue, Jr. would work on it, so I got both and greatly increased my control and accuracy while decreasing the abuse to my hand in practice. I heard about the fix for smileys and, while I didn't feel comfortable doing a complete rampectomy or rampotomy, I did do some 'rampoplasty' (smoothed the worst of the sharp edges) and polished the ramp until it is smooth as glass. I still get smileys but not as deeply gouged. The P3AT is small, easy to carry and, when functioning correctly, just about the perfect solution for carry. Suddenly, I loved the little pistol. Liked it so much that I ended up buying a used P11 after reading good things about them on KTOG. The P11 has functioned great, although I am still more accurate with the P3AT. Add in my .357 for the colder winter days when it will be easy to conceal and I might need more 'oomph' and my carry rotation seemed complete. Until...
Recently, for no apparent reason, the P3AT started the crap with not extracting spent casings, again. Sometimes it works fine. Sometimes, it partially extracts a casing and sometimes it doesn't extract them, at all. The only way to clear the resulting jam is to drop the mag, clear the spent casing, reinsert the mag and rack the slide. If the P3AT had a slide lock on it to hold the slide open, this might not be so bad. As it is, though, it is not a quick process. In a real SD situation, I'd be dead before I could get the darned thing back into the fight. To make matters worse, it is doing this two and three times per magazine. About the only thing I feel I can consider 'reliable' about it is that it is consistently leaving the spent casing from the last round in a magazine completely seated in the chamber - but it comes right out when hand cycled, just like it is supposed to do.
I have checked and there is nothing wrong with the extractor. I tried smoothing the sharp edge on the underside of the barrel hood and polishing the chamber (being careful not to get into the rifling.) Made no noticeable difference. With the ammo shortage, I don't have access to many different kinds of ammo, so I have only tried it with Remington UMC 88 grain JHP and some FMJ reloads I got from the LGS. Thing is, it was firing the UMC stuff (and everything else) extremely well before all of this started - well enough that I started carrying that in my backup mag (only have one mag full, my carry mag, of Hydrashoks left.)
The only thing left that I can possibly think of to try is putting the original baseplates back on the mags and taking the pinky extensions off. The reason I think of this is that it has started sometimes dropping the mag during recoil. I never had a problem with this before adding the extensions and I am paying close attention to my grip - there is no way that I am hitting the mag release so the only other possibility is that the cheap a** plastic catch KelTec uses isn't holding up to the extra leverage the extension creates - maybe there is a change in the mag angle that also hinders extraction. Without the pinky extensions and with the width of my hands, though, I won't like it nearly as much - but if it works that way, at least it will be usable. If that doesn't work, then the P3AT is going in lockup and I will look for an alternative. It will have to be at least nearly as concealable as the P3AT - maybe the Bersa CC .380 or, more likely, a small, five shot revolver - for times when the P11 or the .357 are just too big. If I can't figure this out, the P3AT will probably go home to the factory, eventually (although I don't know what effect even my slight mods will have on the warranty) but not really soon - I am just too aggravated with it, right now. Besides, with the way that it went from running great to jamming several times per magazine, I'm not sure how much trust I can put in it even if the Mother Ship did make it better, stronger, faster.
